continued from above
This ball valve is at the bottom of the engine bay and is drained after every Time Trial or track test. The above right image shows how much comes out after 4 track sessions (after the August SCCA TT). Just a few ounces of clean Motul oil - no water, no grit, nothing to be alarmed about.
CHASSIS TIRE RUB + TIRE SHIELD
After this round of work above - which spanned more than 3 weeks, I had our guys put the Control Tires back on. I wanted to street drive the car for a bit, and I did. These little 275s fit so well, even with 10mm spacers at all 4 corners. But when the Yokohamas went on I showed Doug where I had felt tire rub at the last TT event...
I could feel some slight tire rub on the left front in a brief street drive before loading the car into the trailer last time. I asked about this online and multiple Corvette C5 and C6 owners noted the same thing - 1) these cars aren't exactly super precise and 2) it is common for one side's front tire to rub and not the other. Most folks just let it rub through until it stopped wearing, but the coolant reservoir is right behind this spot and I didn't want to take that chance.
This spot above was worn completely through - so I asked Doug to make this aluminum patch panel to install over the hole on the Left Front (the RF corner had NO rub).
This was held in place with special expanding rivets made for composites, and with minimal rivet heads in the way of where I was sure the tire would once again rub. This was something I would be keeping an eye (and my nose) on for the first TT session the next day. This was the last bit of work on that Friday before I loaded the car into the trailer for the TT on Saturday.
SCCA TT @ MSR 1.7 CCW, AUGUST 13, 2022
Amy and I arrived at MSR Cresson at 7 am, and the event was running the same 1.7 CCW course we do ALL of our testing at. This would be my first SCCA TT event in this C6 at a track that I actually know (I have 500+ laps here over the last 20 years), unlike the last two events at ECR, where it was a new to me track. I was still struggling to learn ECR, even after hours on the sim rig.
Luckily I do not need sim rig time for the MSR 1.7, in either direction. I was hoping my familiarity at this track and SO many track tests in THIS car here (11!) might mean we would not only win T2 class (for a 3rd time in a row?) but possibly move us up in the overall rankings. If it were not for one mega race car showing up, we might have topped the results sheet...
I had hoped to take the C6 out to Cresson in the days above to do some test laps, but we simply ran out of time. All of these changes to various plumbing systems made me super nervous that something would happen on track and I'd be spilling engine oil, power steering fluid or coolant. Luckily the C6 did not leak a drop all weekend. Whew!
For the first TT session's "free-for-all" gridding, I lined up in grid early sitting in what I thought was P2. This was to keep from getting caught behind slower traffic on the out lap. But it turns out I was in the the wrong line at grid, so I went out in P10! Figures... This first TT session at 8:45 am was only 84F ambient and I didn't want to waste it, so I picked off a few cars in the first 3 laps and finally got a clear lap on lap 4, in which I ran a 1:21.0 (a new best for the car, but only just by a tenth). I took a 5th lap and it was slowing down, as these A052 tires like to do their best on lap 1.
On the very first lap I could smell and feel some tire rub, but after decades of doing this I could tell (mostly from my nose) that it wasn't "real bad" so I went ahead and finished that whole session. I came in, jacked up the car, and removed the LF tire... Sure enough the 315mm tire was rubbing on the new "shield" that Doug had built to cover up the wear noted on the fiberglass inner structure. I figured this would happen.
I added a single 1/4" spacer to that side to space the LF wheel away from the inner structure, but nothing to the right front. And it worked - didn't rub a slight bit for the rest of the day. The LF tire now has the slightest hint of poke while the RF wheel tucks nicely under the fenders. So the asymmetric spacer setup will stay for the time being.
I was worried that our typical August summer heat in Texas would derail my plans for a fast lap in later sessions, and session 2 was at 10:45 am... but luckily it was still 84F outside for that one, and I was now gridded P4 (by times). I had a feeling there was a 1:19 in the car, so I let the car in front get a full 1/4 mile ahead of me on the out lap, then threw down a blistering 1:19.8 on my first hot lap! I caught the car ahead on the 2nd lap so I blew it off and came in. Super happy with that time - a new personal best for this car here! This is what I should have run at Track Test #11 but the lime on the asphalt wrecked those chances back in July.
That lap time moved me up to P2 overall and in grid, with the only other car under 1:20 laps being Mike Dusold's tube framed, twin turbo Camaro - he was running it with the Michelin soft compound slicks and their Pikes Peak high aero package, and he was flying.
The lap above from session 2 was my quickest up to that point, and the most entertaining lap in the car in a LONG time, so that is the one I made the video for. As I noted in the beginning of the video, the Coolshirt cooler was working WELL and we used the same bag of ice all day. It was AMAZINGLY cold and I cycled it on and off until I got going on the hot lap. I also felt like "there's a second left in the car" after my first session, and I told Amy that morning that I'd keep taking laps until I ran a 1:19.
Amy got some good pics we have since used to analyze the camber and body roll, which is down from before the alignment and swaybar changes. The oil temp issues are a thing of the past with the highest oil temp seen all day of 245F. The coolant temps did climb up to 214F for a high, which is higher than before the oil cooler - but this is to be expected when you have to stack coolers - yet 214F is still fine. That 1:19 lap leap frogged our C6 ahead of the fastest cars from the previous two SCCA Time Trials, including this C7 ZR1 on AP brakes below right (who was quickest at both the June and July TT events).
I didn't think I could improve on the 1:19.8 time so I let the SCCA RE Matt Lucas take a session in the C6 for fun in an HPDE session. He had a ball and said "this was the easiest car I've driven on this track!" (it was his quickest). But after eating lunch we still hadn't loaded up the C6, and with just a few minutes before our TT group was called grid I hopped in and rushed up - and with Dusold gone I gridded P1. This would ensure I got a clear first lap without traffic, no games needed!
Even with 92F ambient temps and climbing track temps, my first lap in session 3 at 12:55 pm was faster, with a 1:19.702 - nearly a tenth quicker, even with the higher temps. My session 2 time of 1:19.800 had a pretty big driving mistake into Turn 4 (Buzzard Neck), fighting these underwhelming brakes. I swear something is forcing me to brake 100-200 feet sooner than the S550 from before, and it is costing us major time.
With the fastest time of the 3rd TT session I was confident we had secured the T2 class win of 4 cars, and it did. Even with more sessions later in the day that 1:19.702 was still 2nd fastest overall, and the fastest street car and fastest car on street tires. If you expand the data trace graph above you might notice that this even saw our highest peak lateral grip numbers (1.53g spikes, 1.3 sustained) but the same 1.17g braking we have seen since back when we ran the RS4 tires.
After that session I was thoroughly exhausted and we let the car cool off for a bit before loading up and leaving early. Other than the brakes and my driving mistakes in session 2 (and not lining up in the right grid line in session 1) I was very happy with the performance of the car. It felt good to put the car everyone said "why would you ever race that?!" out in front of everything this side of the 1200 hp Pikes Peak race car. And we still had time to find - I am not done with these brakes!
BRAKE CALIPER AND WHEEL TESTING
Having just the one set of 3-piece Jongbloed wheels for our only "race set is a bit worrisome. What if I go to a competition event and get a flat, or worse? Sure, we have the two cheap sets of FlowOne 19x10 wheels, but just the one set of 18x11/18x12s for the 315 A052 tires. I want a spare wheel and ordered a fresh set of 315/30R18 A052s the DAY they came back in stock - the set we have been running were purchased and I have been running them since 2020!
Buying another $4400 set of Jongbloeds and waiting 3-4 months to get them is not really my idea of fun, so I tagged in my account specialist at Tire Rack to peruse through their catalog looking for an 18x11" wheel with 5x4.75" PCD and the wacky backspacing we needed. I gave him a bunch of numbers and he spit out a few options, but really just one set worth using - these 18x11 O.Z. Alleggerita HLT wheels, with 2 in gold (at closeout prices!) and two in black.
Well we missed one specification to give him - the hub bore! So we will need to machine just a kiss from the inside to get them to bolt onto the C6, but the offset was dead on for what we want. Sure, its not 12" wide in the rear, but they should work fine for the backup "scrub" set of A052s, with the fresh set going onto the Jongbloeds. Look for more on this soon, when we get some time on our CNC mill to do this step.
I have been complaining about the brakes on this C6 since Day 1. The JL5 base brakes are just not adequate, and even upgrading to the Z51's J55 brakes only changes the diameter of the rotors. The circa-1984 PRB sliding calipers are still limiting this car, and I can watch them flex just when we are bleeding the brakes. The pads wear at a taper, too. So I did some looking and found some J56 (C6 Z06) fixed calipers in the 6 piston front, 4 piston rear sizes. We test fit the 6 piston front with a new smooth 14" (355mm) Z06 front rotor and it just cleared the wheels, whew! Look for more on this in the next installment - along with some real back-to-back and data logged testing.
Lastly, there was an issue with this SLP cold air kit. The plastic portion keeps popping off the silicone hose that attaches at the throttle body. So that was cleaned thoroughly and epoxied together at this joint. We will see if this stays in place and if not, we will source another cold air kit.
NEW MGW SHIFTER
With the gearing internal to this transmission and rear gear ratio we are stuck with (3.42) the C6 is often needing 2nd gear. I've fought with the 2-3 upshift so many times that I started avoiding it - didn't even attempt it at the SCCA TT event in August at MSR. I ordered a new MGW shifter a while ago but it got here right before the August TT, so we installed it the week after.
Now I'm not one to blindly buy and install aftermarket shifters on EVERY single car I drive on track, and it is more rare for me to do this. But after so much trouble with this C6, and such good feel with the same shifter on Koenig's C5 (which I have autocrossed and tracked in the last 2 years), it was time.
CORBEAU EVOLUTION X VS CORBEAU SPORTLINE RRS SEATS
It is no secret that fitting a seat into any C4/C5/C6 is a real challenge. We ran into this on my C4, on Koenig's C5, and again on this C6. This Corbeau RRS reclining seat was a huge compromise for the ability to allow Amy and I both to drive the C6, with a slider to go between our vastly different heights.
We have revised these brackets so many times I hate to think about it, but they finally slide forward and up for Amy, then down and back for me. But due to the constraints of the C6 interior and the fact that we NEED to have a rear bracket to mount the anti-sub and lap belt harnesses (see below left) it makes for an imperfect seating position for me.
It is hard to show this but I am lacking about 1" of rearward movement compared to the (terribly flat) OEM seats. To fit my head under the roof I then have to tilt the seat back a lot, so my legs are too close to the dash and my back is leaned more than I like. I barely fit in this car - its like "Miata with a hardtop" difficult for me.
Reading a UK C6 racer's blog I stumbled upon a seat that promises to be made to fit the C5 and C6 Corvette with a narrower / thinner seat back, NO TILTING, but a built in back angle that "fits most drivers". This was too good to be true so I checked with Corbeau, they said it was a better seat for the C6, so I ordered a pair and we got to work.
Comparing the Evolution X to the RRS they do in fact look very different, even if they are likely built on the same steel tubular frame. The Evo X has a lot less bulk in the back portion, and Doug was able to bolt that in with the Corbeau sliders and unique Vorshlag bottom mount brackets and harness mounts.
Well... for my body, it was worse, not better. The tilt angle was too vertical and it did not in fact slide back further. This was discouraging and a waste of time for our project, but Corbeau let us return the seat (it sat in the car for all of 10 minutes) and we only lost shipping costs both ways.
A little musical chairs and both seats were back to the RRS norm. We could put a "race" seat in this car and possibly find some room, and we have done that briefly - we talk about the seat mounting challenges of the C5/C6 Corvette in this new forum post.
WHAT'S NEXT?
Yikes, this "quick update" got really long, but we are finally caught up to real time! We have the J56 brake upgrade happening soon with new G-LOC mono-pads and some missing parts from the kit I ordered inbound. I had signed up for an SCCA autocross with this car but wee cancelled at the last minute when we saw a weird course design (which proved to be wise - it was an event plagued by delays on a very hot August day).
We will run this C6 in CAM-S (or XS-B) autocross class, and several more Time Trials in the coming weeks. I had way too much fun in Koenig's C5 (above right) over the past couple of years, and I think this C6 is closing in on the performance of that car. We also have parts inbound to finally add the "Continental" program to the Mk60 ABS, hoping for more braking force at the limit. Its either in the calipers or the programming! Amy is finally going to make some laps in this C6 again soon as well.
Thanks for reading,
This ball valve is at the bottom of the engine bay and is drained after every Time Trial or track test. The above right image shows how much comes out after 4 track sessions (after the August SCCA TT). Just a few ounces of clean Motul oil - no water, no grit, nothing to be alarmed about.
CHASSIS TIRE RUB + TIRE SHIELD
After this round of work above - which spanned more than 3 weeks, I had our guys put the Control Tires back on. I wanted to street drive the car for a bit, and I did. These little 275s fit so well, even with 10mm spacers at all 4 corners. But when the Yokohamas went on I showed Doug where I had felt tire rub at the last TT event...
I could feel some slight tire rub on the left front in a brief street drive before loading the car into the trailer last time. I asked about this online and multiple Corvette C5 and C6 owners noted the same thing - 1) these cars aren't exactly super precise and 2) it is common for one side's front tire to rub and not the other. Most folks just let it rub through until it stopped wearing, but the coolant reservoir is right behind this spot and I didn't want to take that chance.
This spot above was worn completely through - so I asked Doug to make this aluminum patch panel to install over the hole on the Left Front (the RF corner had NO rub).
This was held in place with special expanding rivets made for composites, and with minimal rivet heads in the way of where I was sure the tire would once again rub. This was something I would be keeping an eye (and my nose) on for the first TT session the next day. This was the last bit of work on that Friday before I loaded the car into the trailer for the TT on Saturday.
SCCA TT @ MSR 1.7 CCW, AUGUST 13, 2022
Amy and I arrived at MSR Cresson at 7 am, and the event was running the same 1.7 CCW course we do ALL of our testing at. This would be my first SCCA TT event in this C6 at a track that I actually know (I have 500+ laps here over the last 20 years), unlike the last two events at ECR, where it was a new to me track. I was still struggling to learn ECR, even after hours on the sim rig.
Luckily I do not need sim rig time for the MSR 1.7, in either direction. I was hoping my familiarity at this track and SO many track tests in THIS car here (11!) might mean we would not only win T2 class (for a 3rd time in a row?) but possibly move us up in the overall rankings. If it were not for one mega race car showing up, we might have topped the results sheet...
I had hoped to take the C6 out to Cresson in the days above to do some test laps, but we simply ran out of time. All of these changes to various plumbing systems made me super nervous that something would happen on track and I'd be spilling engine oil, power steering fluid or coolant. Luckily the C6 did not leak a drop all weekend. Whew!
For the first TT session's "free-for-all" gridding, I lined up in grid early sitting in what I thought was P2. This was to keep from getting caught behind slower traffic on the out lap. But it turns out I was in the the wrong line at grid, so I went out in P10! Figures... This first TT session at 8:45 am was only 84F ambient and I didn't want to waste it, so I picked off a few cars in the first 3 laps and finally got a clear lap on lap 4, in which I ran a 1:21.0 (a new best for the car, but only just by a tenth). I took a 5th lap and it was slowing down, as these A052 tires like to do their best on lap 1.
On the very first lap I could smell and feel some tire rub, but after decades of doing this I could tell (mostly from my nose) that it wasn't "real bad" so I went ahead and finished that whole session. I came in, jacked up the car, and removed the LF tire... Sure enough the 315mm tire was rubbing on the new "shield" that Doug had built to cover up the wear noted on the fiberglass inner structure. I figured this would happen.
I added a single 1/4" spacer to that side to space the LF wheel away from the inner structure, but nothing to the right front. And it worked - didn't rub a slight bit for the rest of the day. The LF tire now has the slightest hint of poke while the RF wheel tucks nicely under the fenders. So the asymmetric spacer setup will stay for the time being.
I was worried that our typical August summer heat in Texas would derail my plans for a fast lap in later sessions, and session 2 was at 10:45 am... but luckily it was still 84F outside for that one, and I was now gridded P4 (by times). I had a feeling there was a 1:19 in the car, so I let the car in front get a full 1/4 mile ahead of me on the out lap, then threw down a blistering 1:19.8 on my first hot lap! I caught the car ahead on the 2nd lap so I blew it off and came in. Super happy with that time - a new personal best for this car here! This is what I should have run at Track Test #11 but the lime on the asphalt wrecked those chances back in July.
That lap time moved me up to P2 overall and in grid, with the only other car under 1:20 laps being Mike Dusold's tube framed, twin turbo Camaro - he was running it with the Michelin soft compound slicks and their Pikes Peak high aero package, and he was flying.
The lap above from session 2 was my quickest up to that point, and the most entertaining lap in the car in a LONG time, so that is the one I made the video for. As I noted in the beginning of the video, the Coolshirt cooler was working WELL and we used the same bag of ice all day. It was AMAZINGLY cold and I cycled it on and off until I got going on the hot lap. I also felt like "there's a second left in the car" after my first session, and I told Amy that morning that I'd keep taking laps until I ran a 1:19.
Amy got some good pics we have since used to analyze the camber and body roll, which is down from before the alignment and swaybar changes. The oil temp issues are a thing of the past with the highest oil temp seen all day of 245F. The coolant temps did climb up to 214F for a high, which is higher than before the oil cooler - but this is to be expected when you have to stack coolers - yet 214F is still fine. That 1:19 lap leap frogged our C6 ahead of the fastest cars from the previous two SCCA Time Trials, including this C7 ZR1 on AP brakes below right (who was quickest at both the June and July TT events).
I didn't think I could improve on the 1:19.8 time so I let the SCCA RE Matt Lucas take a session in the C6 for fun in an HPDE session. He had a ball and said "this was the easiest car I've driven on this track!" (it was his quickest). But after eating lunch we still hadn't loaded up the C6, and with just a few minutes before our TT group was called grid I hopped in and rushed up - and with Dusold gone I gridded P1. This would ensure I got a clear first lap without traffic, no games needed!
Even with 92F ambient temps and climbing track temps, my first lap in session 3 at 12:55 pm was faster, with a 1:19.702 - nearly a tenth quicker, even with the higher temps. My session 2 time of 1:19.800 had a pretty big driving mistake into Turn 4 (Buzzard Neck), fighting these underwhelming brakes. I swear something is forcing me to brake 100-200 feet sooner than the S550 from before, and it is costing us major time.
With the fastest time of the 3rd TT session I was confident we had secured the T2 class win of 4 cars, and it did. Even with more sessions later in the day that 1:19.702 was still 2nd fastest overall, and the fastest street car and fastest car on street tires. If you expand the data trace graph above you might notice that this even saw our highest peak lateral grip numbers (1.53g spikes, 1.3 sustained) but the same 1.17g braking we have seen since back when we ran the RS4 tires.
After that session I was thoroughly exhausted and we let the car cool off for a bit before loading up and leaving early. Other than the brakes and my driving mistakes in session 2 (and not lining up in the right grid line in session 1) I was very happy with the performance of the car. It felt good to put the car everyone said "why would you ever race that?!" out in front of everything this side of the 1200 hp Pikes Peak race car. And we still had time to find - I am not done with these brakes!
BRAKE CALIPER AND WHEEL TESTING
Having just the one set of 3-piece Jongbloed wheels for our only "race set is a bit worrisome. What if I go to a competition event and get a flat, or worse? Sure, we have the two cheap sets of FlowOne 19x10 wheels, but just the one set of 18x11/18x12s for the 315 A052 tires. I want a spare wheel and ordered a fresh set of 315/30R18 A052s the DAY they came back in stock - the set we have been running were purchased and I have been running them since 2020!
Buying another $4400 set of Jongbloeds and waiting 3-4 months to get them is not really my idea of fun, so I tagged in my account specialist at Tire Rack to peruse through their catalog looking for an 18x11" wheel with 5x4.75" PCD and the wacky backspacing we needed. I gave him a bunch of numbers and he spit out a few options, but really just one set worth using - these 18x11 O.Z. Alleggerita HLT wheels, with 2 in gold (at closeout prices!) and two in black.
Well we missed one specification to give him - the hub bore! So we will need to machine just a kiss from the inside to get them to bolt onto the C6, but the offset was dead on for what we want. Sure, its not 12" wide in the rear, but they should work fine for the backup "scrub" set of A052s, with the fresh set going onto the Jongbloeds. Look for more on this soon, when we get some time on our CNC mill to do this step.
I have been complaining about the brakes on this C6 since Day 1. The JL5 base brakes are just not adequate, and even upgrading to the Z51's J55 brakes only changes the diameter of the rotors. The circa-1984 PRB sliding calipers are still limiting this car, and I can watch them flex just when we are bleeding the brakes. The pads wear at a taper, too. So I did some looking and found some J56 (C6 Z06) fixed calipers in the 6 piston front, 4 piston rear sizes. We test fit the 6 piston front with a new smooth 14" (355mm) Z06 front rotor and it just cleared the wheels, whew! Look for more on this in the next installment - along with some real back-to-back and data logged testing.
Lastly, there was an issue with this SLP cold air kit. The plastic portion keeps popping off the silicone hose that attaches at the throttle body. So that was cleaned thoroughly and epoxied together at this joint. We will see if this stays in place and if not, we will source another cold air kit.
NEW MGW SHIFTER
With the gearing internal to this transmission and rear gear ratio we are stuck with (3.42) the C6 is often needing 2nd gear. I've fought with the 2-3 upshift so many times that I started avoiding it - didn't even attempt it at the SCCA TT event in August at MSR. I ordered a new MGW shifter a while ago but it got here right before the August TT, so we installed it the week after.
Now I'm not one to blindly buy and install aftermarket shifters on EVERY single car I drive on track, and it is more rare for me to do this. But after so much trouble with this C6, and such good feel with the same shifter on Koenig's C5 (which I have autocrossed and tracked in the last 2 years), it was time.
CORBEAU EVOLUTION X VS CORBEAU SPORTLINE RRS SEATS
It is no secret that fitting a seat into any C4/C5/C6 is a real challenge. We ran into this on my C4, on Koenig's C5, and again on this C6. This Corbeau RRS reclining seat was a huge compromise for the ability to allow Amy and I both to drive the C6, with a slider to go between our vastly different heights.
We have revised these brackets so many times I hate to think about it, but they finally slide forward and up for Amy, then down and back for me. But due to the constraints of the C6 interior and the fact that we NEED to have a rear bracket to mount the anti-sub and lap belt harnesses (see below left) it makes for an imperfect seating position for me.
It is hard to show this but I am lacking about 1" of rearward movement compared to the (terribly flat) OEM seats. To fit my head under the roof I then have to tilt the seat back a lot, so my legs are too close to the dash and my back is leaned more than I like. I barely fit in this car - its like "Miata with a hardtop" difficult for me.
Reading a UK C6 racer's blog I stumbled upon a seat that promises to be made to fit the C5 and C6 Corvette with a narrower / thinner seat back, NO TILTING, but a built in back angle that "fits most drivers". This was too good to be true so I checked with Corbeau, they said it was a better seat for the C6, so I ordered a pair and we got to work.
Comparing the Evolution X to the RRS they do in fact look very different, even if they are likely built on the same steel tubular frame. The Evo X has a lot less bulk in the back portion, and Doug was able to bolt that in with the Corbeau sliders and unique Vorshlag bottom mount brackets and harness mounts.
Well... for my body, it was worse, not better. The tilt angle was too vertical and it did not in fact slide back further. This was discouraging and a waste of time for our project, but Corbeau let us return the seat (it sat in the car for all of 10 minutes) and we only lost shipping costs both ways.
A little musical chairs and both seats were back to the RRS norm. We could put a "race" seat in this car and possibly find some room, and we have done that briefly - we talk about the seat mounting challenges of the C5/C6 Corvette in this new forum post.
WHAT'S NEXT?
Yikes, this "quick update" got really long, but we are finally caught up to real time! We have the J56 brake upgrade happening soon with new G-LOC mono-pads and some missing parts from the kit I ordered inbound. I had signed up for an SCCA autocross with this car but wee cancelled at the last minute when we saw a weird course design (which proved to be wise - it was an event plagued by delays on a very hot August day).
We will run this C6 in CAM-S (or XS-B) autocross class, and several more Time Trials in the coming weeks. I had way too much fun in Koenig's C5 (above right) over the past couple of years, and I think this C6 is closing in on the performance of that car. We also have parts inbound to finally add the "Continental" program to the Mk60 ABS, hoping for more braking force at the limit. Its either in the calipers or the programming! Amy is finally going to make some laps in this C6 again soon as well.
Thanks for reading,
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