Re: Vorshlag C5 Corvette Development Thread
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Once the differential housing was attached to the transmission (above), then the torque tube could be reinstalled (below).
Below are pictures of the hydraulic throw out bearing and the Keensert installation tool, for this thread diameter and pitch.
With everything bolted together once again it was time to raise the transaxle + torque tube assembly back into the car.
That all went back in place and the rear subframe then went in below that. The exhaust went on and we were ready to drive it.
One other thing that happened while the Corvette was here that week were new front ball joints. The old ones were cooked (likely from brake heat + age). Toe was realigned of course. We changed the rears as well.
Mark had also upgraded the front brakes to the AP 4-piston fixed motorsport calipers and 2-piece AP rotors, from their "sprint" kit, shown above. The rear brakes stayed intact.
Test drove the car and the synchros seemed even worse in this "rebuilt" M12 than the worn out MM6 trans that we removed. Mark came into town and drove it and he noted the same thing - it was a hot mess. So out came the M12 trans and I took it our local Tremec specialist (Joe D) for an inspection. Joe opened up the trans and called - it was a mess inside. It needed everything from synchros to gears, shift forks to bearings, seals and blocker rings. Took some time to source all of the parts, but $2300 later it was rebuilt and ready to go back in. At least this time there weren't stripped threads and bolt heads that needed to be cut off - it went in painlessly and quickly.
The race team that sold him this M12 owned up to some of the unreported damage, and I think Mark worked out some partial refund? The extra R&R work - since the transaxle had to come out again, get rebuilt, and be reinstalled - ended up as twice the normal install labor, plus the extra price of a rebuild on top of that. The C5 was also sitting for about 8 weeks while the trans was rebuilt then reinstalled, which sucked for Mark (no racing) and for my shop (storing the car for 2 months). Moral of the story is - always assume any used parts you buy need to be completely rebuilt!
With the fully rebuilt M12 transaxle now in place, the Corvette was back racing in March. The new 1st and 2nd gear setup worked SO much better now, with 2nd gear speeds that are much more usable. The only time 3rd gear is needed are on GIANT autocross courses, which we sometimes see at Mineral Wells Airpark events - like the 2016 CAM Texas event and the 2016 Texas ProSolo (see below). At every other normal course, however, 2nd gear is the only gear needed and slower speed corners have more usable torque on corner exit.
MGW SHIFTER
In May 2016, Mark wanted to improve the shifting of his car further so he ordered an MGW shifter from us. MGW shifters are made in the USA and the owners are super cool folks who road race regularly.
Mark and his co-driver Chase managed to install this shifter in the C5 and ever since it shifts even better than before.
With the long shift knob and the short throw shifter combined, the total shift throws are very manageable, the effort is low, and the "reach" for the knob from the steering wheel is a lot closer. Its a perfect shifter setup for this car.
2016 AUTOCROSS TESTING
In an unusual move for me, I have raced in 5 SCCA autocrosses this year, all in various CAM class cars. I ran Scottish Joe's 5th Gen Camaro twice and Mark's C5 Corvette 3 times so far. I fought GM's ABS system "ICE MODE" programming at all 5 events, and it frustrated me a great deal. How isn't this more of a thing? Why does GM suck at programming their ABS schemes? The Ford ABS is light years better than the Corvette or Camaro ABS. When I brake hard the ABS on these cars often "freaks out" and just stops... stopping. Pedal turns to a brick and I blow through a gate or cone wall.
2016 was the year of Cones and ABS Issues for me?
I'm also pretty rusty when it comes to autocrossing, probably since I haven't done much of this in the past 4 years, but its coming back to me, bit by bit. Its tough for me to jump around in other people's cars, and my "cone count" is higher than it has been in years. I'm either ICE MODE'ing the brakes or clipping the cone bases (like above), so don't take my results and videos as an accurate portrayal of how these cars are handling - a faster driver can always make these cars look better.
2016 TEXAS CAM CHALLENGE - MAY
Event pic and video gallery: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...CAM-Challenge/
Vorshlag was an event sponsor for this CAM Challenge event as well as the Texas ProSolo, so since I was gonna be there to cook for people anyway... I found co-drives at both events in some of our testers' cars.
Three Vorshlag test vehicles all running in the Texas CAM Challenge
We were still testing a new setup on Joe's car and at the CAM only event, when it had fresh 305mm Hankook tires and new 19x11" wheels, where it still had a bit of a push.
You can see the understeer we are fighting in the video above. One more event after a front spring change and more camber and we could have this one really dialed in.
3800 pounds of fun and came in 2nd out of 19 CAM-C cars (with our shop manager Brad coming in 8th in the same car) at the 2016 Texas CAM Challenge, and damned if I didn't run the time to win in the brackets, but coned it. I lost in the Saturday runs by 1.4 seconds to an old friend and Vorshlag tester Brian Matteucci in his white 2015 GT, shown above.
Mark and co-driver Chase were mired a good ways back in the CAM-S class, driving the C5 and fighting with "dead" tires. They were about 4 seconds slower than what we ran in the Camaro, which shouldn't be the case in an 800 pound lighter car. All year BFGoodrich kept running out of 315mm and 335mm Rival-S tires, and this was one of those periods where the C5 was shod with "compounded out" tires (I think they had 200+ runs on them at this point).
No major changes were made to the Corvette before the next event, other than fresh 315mm Rival-S tires were mounted.
2016 TEXAS PRO SOLO - JUNE
Event pic and video gallery: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...Texas-ProSolo/
I have co-driven Mark's Corvette three times this summer: At the Texas ProSolo in June, at an SCCA event at Lone Star Park in July, and at another regional in August. We are loaded up and heading to the 2016 SCCA Solo Nationals right now, too. I will give a brief overview of these 3 events so far in 2016.
2016 Texas ProSolo: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...Texas-ProSolo/
This was a fun event where I got to run the C5 in the merged CAM class for the Pro. Once again I was chasing Vorshlag tester Brian Matteucci's 2015 Mustang GT. Brian runs a Forgestar 18x11" CF5 wheel, 315/30/18 Rival-S, Vorshlag camber plates, GT350R springs, Eibach swaybars and a Torsen T2R diff with 3.31 gears - all of which we supplied to him. Brian is brutally fast in this S550.
I kept fighting with the ABS system's "ICE MODE" and my best right side run had a cone after when the brakes simply stopped working in one corner. Sure, I can "brake less" and not engage this glaring fault in the ABS programming, but damn it you shouldn't have to drive around these issues in all GM cars. Why can so many other car makers program their ABS systems to work with a wider range of grip and brake pad compounds without issue??
At this ProSolo Brian and I were paired up in the final 4 runs, and while I edged him by .3 sec in time overall for both sides, he beat me by .3 sec in the paxed times. The Corvette was really loose on corner exit at this event, and with the hectic nature of ProSolos (you run 2 left and 2 right side runs back to back) there isn't time (nor are you allowed) to change shock settings between runs.
Come to find out later, the rear shocks were set at an incorrect amount of compression, and we didn't catch it until after my runs were over. No wonder why it wouldn't launch well or put power down on corner exit. My runs were filled with lots of little driving mistakes, and I didn't have a single 4 run grouping without a major ABS brake system failure and subsequent "cone binge". I could not reprogram my brain to brake more gently than I am used to in autocross situations. The S197 Mustang ABS system ruined me, I guess? At least a Vorshlag tester took the win and the top 5 out of 7 in CAM were Vorshlag test cars once again.
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Once the differential housing was attached to the transmission (above), then the torque tube could be reinstalled (below).
Below are pictures of the hydraulic throw out bearing and the Keensert installation tool, for this thread diameter and pitch.
With everything bolted together once again it was time to raise the transaxle + torque tube assembly back into the car.
That all went back in place and the rear subframe then went in below that. The exhaust went on and we were ready to drive it.
One other thing that happened while the Corvette was here that week were new front ball joints. The old ones were cooked (likely from brake heat + age). Toe was realigned of course. We changed the rears as well.
Mark had also upgraded the front brakes to the AP 4-piston fixed motorsport calipers and 2-piece AP rotors, from their "sprint" kit, shown above. The rear brakes stayed intact.
Test drove the car and the synchros seemed even worse in this "rebuilt" M12 than the worn out MM6 trans that we removed. Mark came into town and drove it and he noted the same thing - it was a hot mess. So out came the M12 trans and I took it our local Tremec specialist (Joe D) for an inspection. Joe opened up the trans and called - it was a mess inside. It needed everything from synchros to gears, shift forks to bearings, seals and blocker rings. Took some time to source all of the parts, but $2300 later it was rebuilt and ready to go back in. At least this time there weren't stripped threads and bolt heads that needed to be cut off - it went in painlessly and quickly.
The race team that sold him this M12 owned up to some of the unreported damage, and I think Mark worked out some partial refund? The extra R&R work - since the transaxle had to come out again, get rebuilt, and be reinstalled - ended up as twice the normal install labor, plus the extra price of a rebuild on top of that. The C5 was also sitting for about 8 weeks while the trans was rebuilt then reinstalled, which sucked for Mark (no racing) and for my shop (storing the car for 2 months). Moral of the story is - always assume any used parts you buy need to be completely rebuilt!
With the fully rebuilt M12 transaxle now in place, the Corvette was back racing in March. The new 1st and 2nd gear setup worked SO much better now, with 2nd gear speeds that are much more usable. The only time 3rd gear is needed are on GIANT autocross courses, which we sometimes see at Mineral Wells Airpark events - like the 2016 CAM Texas event and the 2016 Texas ProSolo (see below). At every other normal course, however, 2nd gear is the only gear needed and slower speed corners have more usable torque on corner exit.
MGW SHIFTER
In May 2016, Mark wanted to improve the shifting of his car further so he ordered an MGW shifter from us. MGW shifters are made in the USA and the owners are super cool folks who road race regularly.
Mark and his co-driver Chase managed to install this shifter in the C5 and ever since it shifts even better than before.
With the long shift knob and the short throw shifter combined, the total shift throws are very manageable, the effort is low, and the "reach" for the knob from the steering wheel is a lot closer. Its a perfect shifter setup for this car.
2016 AUTOCROSS TESTING
In an unusual move for me, I have raced in 5 SCCA autocrosses this year, all in various CAM class cars. I ran Scottish Joe's 5th Gen Camaro twice and Mark's C5 Corvette 3 times so far. I fought GM's ABS system "ICE MODE" programming at all 5 events, and it frustrated me a great deal. How isn't this more of a thing? Why does GM suck at programming their ABS schemes? The Ford ABS is light years better than the Corvette or Camaro ABS. When I brake hard the ABS on these cars often "freaks out" and just stops... stopping. Pedal turns to a brick and I blow through a gate or cone wall.
2016 was the year of Cones and ABS Issues for me?
I'm also pretty rusty when it comes to autocrossing, probably since I haven't done much of this in the past 4 years, but its coming back to me, bit by bit. Its tough for me to jump around in other people's cars, and my "cone count" is higher than it has been in years. I'm either ICE MODE'ing the brakes or clipping the cone bases (like above), so don't take my results and videos as an accurate portrayal of how these cars are handling - a faster driver can always make these cars look better.
2016 TEXAS CAM CHALLENGE - MAY
Event pic and video gallery: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...CAM-Challenge/
Vorshlag was an event sponsor for this CAM Challenge event as well as the Texas ProSolo, so since I was gonna be there to cook for people anyway... I found co-drives at both events in some of our testers' cars.
Three Vorshlag test vehicles all running in the Texas CAM Challenge
We were still testing a new setup on Joe's car and at the CAM only event, when it had fresh 305mm Hankook tires and new 19x11" wheels, where it still had a bit of a push.
You can see the understeer we are fighting in the video above. One more event after a front spring change and more camber and we could have this one really dialed in.
3800 pounds of fun and came in 2nd out of 19 CAM-C cars (with our shop manager Brad coming in 8th in the same car) at the 2016 Texas CAM Challenge, and damned if I didn't run the time to win in the brackets, but coned it. I lost in the Saturday runs by 1.4 seconds to an old friend and Vorshlag tester Brian Matteucci in his white 2015 GT, shown above.
Mark and co-driver Chase were mired a good ways back in the CAM-S class, driving the C5 and fighting with "dead" tires. They were about 4 seconds slower than what we ran in the Camaro, which shouldn't be the case in an 800 pound lighter car. All year BFGoodrich kept running out of 315mm and 335mm Rival-S tires, and this was one of those periods where the C5 was shod with "compounded out" tires (I think they had 200+ runs on them at this point).
No major changes were made to the Corvette before the next event, other than fresh 315mm Rival-S tires were mounted.
2016 TEXAS PRO SOLO - JUNE
Event pic and video gallery: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...Texas-ProSolo/
I have co-driven Mark's Corvette three times this summer: At the Texas ProSolo in June, at an SCCA event at Lone Star Park in July, and at another regional in August. We are loaded up and heading to the 2016 SCCA Solo Nationals right now, too. I will give a brief overview of these 3 events so far in 2016.
2016 Texas ProSolo: https://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Racing-...Texas-ProSolo/
This was a fun event where I got to run the C5 in the merged CAM class for the Pro. Once again I was chasing Vorshlag tester Brian Matteucci's 2015 Mustang GT. Brian runs a Forgestar 18x11" CF5 wheel, 315/30/18 Rival-S, Vorshlag camber plates, GT350R springs, Eibach swaybars and a Torsen T2R diff with 3.31 gears - all of which we supplied to him. Brian is brutally fast in this S550.
I kept fighting with the ABS system's "ICE MODE" and my best right side run had a cone after when the brakes simply stopped working in one corner. Sure, I can "brake less" and not engage this glaring fault in the ABS programming, but damn it you shouldn't have to drive around these issues in all GM cars. Why can so many other car makers program their ABS systems to work with a wider range of grip and brake pad compounds without issue??
At this ProSolo Brian and I were paired up in the final 4 runs, and while I edged him by .3 sec in time overall for both sides, he beat me by .3 sec in the paxed times. The Corvette was really loose on corner exit at this event, and with the hectic nature of ProSolos (you run 2 left and 2 right side runs back to back) there isn't time (nor are you allowed) to change shock settings between runs.
Come to find out later, the rear shocks were set at an incorrect amount of compression, and we didn't catch it until after my runs were over. No wonder why it wouldn't launch well or put power down on corner exit. My runs were filled with lots of little driving mistakes, and I didn't have a single 4 run grouping without a major ABS brake system failure and subsequent "cone binge". I could not reprogram my brain to brake more gently than I am used to in autocross situations. The S197 Mustang ABS system ruined me, I guess? At least a Vorshlag tester took the win and the top 5 out of 7 in CAM were Vorshlag test cars once again.
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