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  • Fair!
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    Re: Vorshlag E46 Alpha - 330Ci LSx Build Thread

    Project Update for July 25, 2011: Wow, its been two months since my last update? Dang, sorry guys. Well, we have been severely swamped since then, and are right in the middle of moving to a much larger shop, but we actually did some work on this car in June. Let's see...

    Let me start off by saying I'm not a fan of replacing the stock K-member for an engine swap unless absolutely necessary, and neither are the rules makers for many racing sanctioning bodies, so we are going to make the LS1+T56 drivetrain fit the car with the OEM crossmember intact. Sure, somebody will pipe up and say they can make a crossmember that's affordable, rigid, fits better, holds the engine better, has more clearance with this or that, saves 15 pounds, and makes your butt look smaller - but there are ALWAYS compromises when you use a non-stock crossmember, not just for racing class rules. Some of the kits I've seen had big compromises with respect to tubular crossmembers, with sketchy under-engineering or the other way - "steel-itis" (where they just throw a bunch of steel at it). Sometimes its a beautifully fabbed crossmember that costs $1500, so it costs you. And you have to remember that the pick-up points for the front suspension tie into this, as does the steering rack. So not only is the crossmember securing the drivetrain, its taking all of the suspension and braking loads, too. Its pretty important piece of engineering, and the stock front crossmembers (at least) on an E46 BMW aren't at all bad.

    This means we are going to keep an eye on the OEM front crossmember for clearance to the oil pan and headers, which is nothing new to us. The initial mock-ups we did in May were using a complete/dressed 5.7L Camaro LS1 and T56 trans, with the '98-02 Camaro oil pan and front accessory drives. We figured out pretty quickly that this relatively long "rear sump" oil pan wasn't going to work in the E46 chassis with this V8 motor, as the engine bay layout is enough different on the E46 vs the E36 to make the barely-E36-swap-friendly Camaro LS1 pan not fit. We had the crossmember dropped down a few inches in those early mock-up pics, but I had some ideas in mind. Since then we did some looking, took a gamble, ordered an oil pan that just came to the market, and found a solution that fits beautifully for this swap - that's both affordable and very well built.



    This LS-fit oil pan has the same capacity but has a shorter length rear sump section, that with this drivetrain clears the crossmember by several inches (unlike the various LS1, LS2 and truck LSx pans we tested with; it even fits better than the Camaro pan in the E36). Its the only one we have found that has the right dimensions fore-aft for the oil pan sump and its still pretty short and flat at the front of the oil pan. So we've got this pan on our mock-up motor and put the drivetrain in the engine bay where it optimizes placement to clear the oil pan sump at the back, is level with the crossmember underneath as well, has good firewall clearance (but still big rearward engine set-back), and also clears the stock steering shaft and has the best fit for exhaust headers. Hours of measuring, mocking, angling, tilting, and testing to finally get the drivetrain where I was happy.



    A few more hours and the crossmember was built in the car, with a measured "spacer block" under the oilpan. This sets the drivetrain angles and fire-aft plus lateral locations, and most important - it got the mock-up drivetrain off the floor and in the ca,r so we can move the Alpha car to the new shop easier. As you can see we have the prototype trans crossmember built and bolted in, as well as most of the motor mount components in place - another 3-4 hours and those will be complete. Primary bends, merge collectors, and exhaust port flanges are here and also awaiting some fabrication time (once we are moved into our new shop) to get the prototype headers built. Then we'll make a driveshaft and get a real engine in there (just a mock-up block/headers/trans in there right now).



    Last month I also bought a rolled-over 2005 BMW 330Ci, which was chock full of good parts we needed. I got it primarily for the stock, low mileage drivetrain (to re-use the M54 in my blue '01 330 track car). As a bonus we also got many odds and ends that were not on this white '01 330 Alpha car when I bought it. The guys here at Vorshlag spent about 2 days and salvaged the entire wiring harness, fuel tank, HVAC system, dash, gauge cluster, rear subframe assembly brake-to-brake, and more, then I hauled the wrecked chassis off to the scrap yard. That score of spare E46 330 parts will help greatly in getting this white Alpha car, which is very parts deficient, back together and more complete. The '05 M54 is already in the blue 330, now awaiting a new prototype M54 balancer before it fires up. Win, win.



    More soon,

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  • dakkon
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    Re: Vorshlag E46 Alpha - 330Ci LSx Build Thread

    Terry, i think 3 would be the best option as well, with the addition of keeping the HVAC. If you can come up with a fully functional AC kit that would be wonderful, not necessarily "climate controlled", but something that will blow cold air.. As you know, driving a car around dallas in this heat without AC would be not so enjoyable. Personally, if i was having you build me a car, this is the option i would ask for. This way i could enjoy the car on the street as well as the track. If i wanted a full blown race car, i do not know that i would choose an E46 non-M chassis as the foundation for a race car..

    Good luck with the project!

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  • altiain
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    Terry - FYI, but Texas changed the emissions requirement rules for OBD2 cars last year. No longer can a sniffer or dyno test be used in lieu of an OBD2 scan for OBD2 cars. If it was built after '96 and the inspector can't get a "ready" signal from the OBD2 port, it's an automatic fail.

    Just something to keep in mind for option 3 if you're gong to try to register the car in an emissions controlled county.

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  • Shnookums
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    No, No AWD. I would like it yeah but I know it's impossible. AWD is a dead idea. Excellent if you had answer on other website. Can't wait for it!

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  • Fair!
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    Re: Vorshlag E46 Alpha - 330Ci LSx Build Thread

    Cool Project car, Christian! Love the E46 ix wagon. You aren't going to try to keep the AWD, are you???

    This thread is copied to several other forums (Corner-carvers, Bimmerforums, SCCA Forums, RoadRaceautocross.com) and we will add more as we see it pop up elsewhere. Lots of response on those already; have had a lot of requests for option 2 and 3.

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  • Shnookums
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    Thank you for doing this. I'm not sure why there is no answer to this thread yet but I figured I would speak up as soon as I saw it.

    Alright, after many research myself I understand the problematic of swapping a LSx engine inside a E46. Here is some input for the upcoming decision you have to take. This is obviously some of my personal input...

    The option #1, the race car. For me, it's a no go... As much as I think my E46 will require some reinforcements, stripping the car of everything is not what I'm aiming for. I plan to use this car on sunny days but don't want to get stuck when it starts raining for a few minutes.

    The option #2, the street car. Personally again, this is what I'm aiming for. I'd like the car to "look" as stock as possible. I'm not saying body mods are excluded but I'd like to keep things like A/C, ABS, auto-leveling-headlight, rain-sensing wipers etc. I'm aware of the implication of this... Not easy and even maybe impossible to do, but still... It's my first choice. That being said, I'm ok with trimming the excess fat and will probably end up doing it, I just don't want it to show.

    The option #3, the mix. My second choice. I would understand if you went with this route and I would try to patch the rest on my side. Option no.2 and no.3 to me is very close. Even if I'd like to keep the whole working setup, I will cut anything that doesn't have use.

    For me, it's also very important to keep the handling and driving experience of the BMW. The stiff steering wheel, the quality of the suspension when cornering and every other things that makes a BMW fun to drive. Most parts will be upgraded with performance parts built for BMW except the LSx, T-56 and rear-end. For the rear-end I was maybe going for a Cobra diff as they are cheap and most importantly have independent suspension, which is a must I think to keep the BMW driving feeling.

    I started a blog for this project. Of course the car will take a few years to complete but I'm taking my time and nothing is rushed. This is my first and the only BMW I'm gonna own as they are very expensive... It's a toy

    http://e46swap.wordpress.com/

    I appreciate what you are trying to accomplish with this and is very grateful for it. Right now, the engine of my BMW is out but I got all the parts. If I can be of any help just tell me.

    Good luck and looking forward to the Stage 0 and up!
    Christian
    Last edited by Shnookums; 05-27-2011, 12:40 PM.

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