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It wasn't Terry in total, but the idea that companies are starting to offer REAL race parts that have real engineering behind it, before you know it, it gets out of hand. Ford has a DRY carbon hood too for $1200. If you can start buying that kind of part in a catalog it isn't long before the cost of entry into ST becomes $cary.
I just hate the cost argument. Racing isn't cheap, period so stop trying to police it. Also, a $1200 hood is a 1/3 the price of a nice set of coilovers and I don't hear anyone wanting to take those away to keep costs down...
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It wasn't Terry in total, but the idea that companies are starting to offer REAL race parts that have real engineering behind it, before you know it, it gets out of hand. Ford has a DRY carbon hood too for $1200. If you can start buying that kind of part in a catalog it isn't long before the cost of entry into ST becomes $cary.
It isn't about cost.

The rules as written last year were a compromise to give folks the ability to do a little bit of customization but without any real aerodynamic effect. The thinking was, "if the factory approves this as an accessory for highway use, it isn't likely to be providing any real benefit". The factory usually has lots of liability and warranty issues to consider that put natural limits on them. Styling parts...not race parts.

Several letters have come in asking about legalities of various parts, most notably Mazdaspeed. Mazda has a Genuine Mazda Accessory catalog and also the Mazdaspeed stuff on their website. Separate tabs with different audiences. The intent was always to allow the former, but not the latter. We don't need factory race parts being legalized as it opens the door to all kinds of shenanigans. And then you get into the "haves" and the "have nots". Which then begins the parity whining.

The Ford stuff was way over the line, IMO. Not even close to a factory accessory. Them's real race parts.

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It isn't about cost.

The rules as written last year were a compromise to give folks the ability to do a little bit of customization but without any real aerodynamic effect. The thinking was, "if the factory approves this as an accessory for highway use, it isn't likely to be providing any real benefit". The factory usually has lots of liability and warranty issues to consider that put natural limits on them. Styling parts...not race parts.

Several letters have come in asking about legalities of various parts, most notably Mazdaspeed. Mazda has a Genuine Mazda Accessory catalog and also the Mazdaspeed stuff on their website. Separate tabs with different audiences. The intent was always to allow the former, but not the latter. We don't need factory race parts being legalized as it opens the door to all kinds of shenanigans. And then you get into the "haves" and the "have nots". Which then begins the parity whining.

The Ford stuff was way over the line, IMO. Not even close to a factory accessory. Them's real race parts.

--Andy
But "haves and have nots" means cost to some extent. Or haves (Mazda, Ford, etc) and have nots (BMW, Subaru, etc)
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But "haves and have nots" means cost to some extent. Or haves (Mazda, Ford, etc) and have nots (BMW, Subaru, etc)
Sure. But it wasn't why the line was drawn where it was drawn. It was done because of performance implications.

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