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Fair!
06-14-2007, 12:39 AM
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/162733463-M.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/162733656-M.jpg

Pictures. http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3000491#162733326

Explanation of this one-year-model: http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/318isengine.html

Its a real deal '91 318is (only made it that one year) - has all of the airdams, spoilers, and trim specific to this car plus the OE basket weave 14x6.5" wheels. No LSD for this one (optional) but we can always get that. Motor is popped but we have another M42 in the shop that will go in there... or the M50 from the XP3 car?

What to do with it?


STX/S?
DSP?
Dedicated track wh0re?
CCA Club Racing car (Prepared, Mod?)
Nice daily driver?
Dirty old beater?
E30 test car for new goodies?
GRM $200_ Challenge car?
Suggestions?


One of our R&D projects on the books was an S50/M50 - E30 conversion motor mount (a popular engine swap). We have one of these locally we can use for fit testing on the mount we designed, though. We might have access to some S50/52s soon (from LS1 conversions) but we already have a running M50B25 (2.5L I-6) that is about to get yanked out of our E36.

Suspension mods are a given! We have E30 AST adjustable shock testing slated as well as several Mason Engineering pieces lined up, our camber plates, etc. But what class to build it for - that's the question. We can't decide on spring rates and wheel selection (big or REALLY big) until we figure out what to build it for.

DSP is tempting... remember, we're not opposed to some weird update/backdate swaps if it can make for a GOOD, competitive combination. That's what we'd like to do with the car - something cool, utilizing some smart mods and maximizing the car's competitiveness... be is BMWCCA Club racing, SCCA Autocrossing, or even GRM competition. Its wide open right now...

Thoughts?

the german kid
06-14-2007, 08:18 AM
Yes send it back to where it came from ... to me.

You know my adress, it will be my Autobahn and Ring tool.

Besides shipping you dont have to pay for anything.

Fair you know that is a great deal ;)

John in Houston
06-14-2007, 10:22 AM
Let me know if you have any questions on this car. I had a 91 318is for about a year and found most (if not all) of it's weaknesses.

Very sturdy car and got awesome gas mileage. Total turd down low, but was very light and tossable and LOVED to rev. Ice cold AC, awesome brakes (for a light car)... man, I almost miss it (other than the fact that it would be a bug-splat on the front of an SUV if you got hit!).

McCall
06-14-2007, 05:23 PM
I'd throw in the I4 you have sitting in the garage and make it a beater as quick as possible. Why not since it would cost you almost nothing. You know the longer it sits, the less chance it gets touched. Put all the suspension stuff on it for street testing and eventually either turbo-charge it or pull that motor for a I-6 install.

You two already have class-built cars so just make this one a fun street car for the forseeable future.

Fair!
06-14-2007, 09:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M44

The M44B19 was a 1.9 L (1895 cc) version producing 138 hp (103 kW) and 133 ft·lbf (180 Nm). It used Bosch M5.2 fuel injection.

Applications:

1996-2000 E36 318iS/318ti
1996-2001 Z3 1.9


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M42

Displacement for the M42B18 was 1.8 L (1796 cc). E30 318iS, 318i (in the U.S.; European versions of the 318i were fitted with the M40 engine), and early E36 318iS/318ti (prior to 1992) models were fitted with versions producing 100 kW (134 HP) and 172 N·m (127 ft·lbf). Later, change in the overhead cam design helped to achieve 103 kW (138 HP) and 175 N·m (129 ft·lbf) coping with the increased weight of the E36 models. The engine uses Bosch M1.7 fuel injection.

Applications:



1989-1991 E30 318iS/U.S. model 318i
1992-1996 E36 318iS/318ti


I got this from the interweb so it MUST be true! :D

Honestly - I don't know what is right anymore. M42?M44? Lets call it "the wee little four"...

hancheyb
06-15-2007, 06:54 AM
M44 is an OBDII engine and is 1.9L. Our two motors are 1.8L

John in Houston
06-15-2007, 07:58 AM
Ahh... more of that OBD2 shenanigans ;)

I still think you should have offered Teucci $25 for Woobies E30 318is. It already has the M50/M52 motor in it... just needs some wrapping up. Of course, there are probably weedwacker marks around it since it was sitting in the yard for so long :)

Paul
06-15-2007, 09:09 AM
That's the current plan - install the M42 engine we have from Scooter's car and get it running as a nice street beater/test mule. Pounds some miles on something that gets 36mpg instead of our M3, STi or 6.0L truck. :D

Any volunteers to help with a motor swap this weekend? I've got a weekend without a race, for once!

There is an ER event at Pennington on Sunday (June 17th) but I can help you Saturday.

C3
06-15-2007, 09:16 AM
Here are my bets:

# Dirty old beater
# E30 test car for new goodies
# Tommy's next daily driver when he gets tired of commuting in the Jeep :)

Looks cool, but pretty near the BMW equivalent of a Nomad if you want to make it nice and/or fast.

Teucci
06-15-2007, 09:23 AM
Ahh... more of that OBD2 shenanigans ;)

I still think you should have offered Teucci $25 for Woobies E30 318is. It already has the M50/M52 motor in it... just needs some wrapping up. Of course, there are probably weedwacker marks around it since it was sitting in the yard for so long :)

LOL! Is got a S52 3.2L in it..

Actually planning on loading it up and dumping it a Barry's house next weekend. Tired of looking at it.. and I don't see him having the money to finish it any time soon.

hancheyb
06-15-2007, 10:12 AM
Looks cool, but pretty near the BMW equivalent of a Nomad if you want to make it nice and/or fast.

Now THAT was funny!

McCall
06-15-2007, 11:36 AM
Now THAT was funny!

So why is my Nomad always the butt of jokes?:D Haters! It's an investment! It's an investment!! :p ;)

John in Houston
06-15-2007, 11:42 AM
LOL! Is got a S52 3.2L in it.

S, M... whatever :p It still has my intake on it, right? Guessing I'll never see the S50 replacement for that, huh?

Hankichemee = Throttle Body
Woobie = Intake

Fair!
06-15-2007, 11:43 AM
LOL! Is got a S52 3.2L in it..

Actually planning on loading it up and dumping it a Barry's house next weekend. Tired of looking at it.. and I don't see him having the money to finish it any time soon.
Dibs on the Woobie E30! (I'll give ya fifty bucks for it!)

John in Houston
06-15-2007, 12:12 PM
Dibs on the Woobie E30! (I'll give ya fifty bucks for it!)

It's a non-sunroof car also ;)

Tommy R
06-16-2007, 01:15 PM
Here are my bets:

# Dirty old beater
# E30 test car for new goodies
# Tommy's next daily driver when he gets tired of commuting in the Jeep :)

Hush it! I already picked up another daily driver anyhoo. :p

McCall
06-20-2007, 12:14 AM
Paul and me went over to Fair's on Saturday and got the motor pulled in the 318. Here's some pics of the day: http://mccall.smugmug.com/gallery/3031023

We got it out with little drama. Next step, swap everything over from the other motor and put that baby back in (oh yea, I'm sure Fair will do a little bit of cleaning) =8-)

http://mccall.smugmug.com/photos/164807121-M.jpg
http://mccall.smugmug.com/photos/164806068-M.jpg
http://mccall.smugmug.com/photos/164806515-M.jpg
http://mccall.smugmug.com/photos/164803629-M.jpg

Fair!
06-20-2007, 12:35 AM
I spent the better part of this evening cleaning up the mess in the shop from this tear down. Big thanks to McCall and Paul for helping on Saturday. Sunday was spent struggling to learn a new CAD system and fighting with importing/exporting. And again late into tonight. Grr...

Got the old 318 engine on the stand (after buying some M12x1.75 x 90mmL bolts) and compacted the hoist. Picked up all of the E30 parts and put them on shelves, cleaned the floors (damn thing leaked coolant and oil everywhere), moved the XP car back in, and even got the M3 washed and back in the garage. This E30 needs a power washing under hood for sure, but it cleaned up fairly well on the outside.

We've decided to spend as little as possible on the E30 for now to get it running so we'll be ordering gaskets and some hoses, and as little else as possible. Of course I already got two new roundels to replace the trashed stock ones. :D

Teucci
06-20-2007, 01:02 PM
S, M... whatever :p It still has my intake on it, right? Guessing I'll never see the S50 replacement for that, huh?

Hankichemee = Throttle Body
Woobie = Intake

Send me your address and I'll ship you the intake. Woobie has forfited my M50 intake.

John in Houston
06-20-2007, 01:41 PM
Send me your address and I'll ship you the intake. Woobie has forfited my M50 intake.

Nah... STU won't allow me to use it. Sell it on Ebay for $150 and then have a drink (fruity Dr. Pepper) on me ;)

You coming up for the Divisional? Offered Hanchey a co-drive at a regional while he is up here and he blew me off!

John in Houston
06-20-2007, 01:44 PM
Fair... are you replacing the radiator? If not, then you need to get the o-ring for the bottom of the expansion tank. Every E30 318is I've seen has that bastige leaking. It's a $1.20 part... but if you fill the radiator and then have to pull it, you'll be pissed.

Also, you may want to get a new tensioner for the side of the new motor. Pops in the passenger side just below the head. Spring loaded... keeps the chains quiet. Think it was about $20. The only other leak I ever had was the valve cover. Might as well replace that before putting it in or you'll be chasing yet another leak.

Fair!
06-20-2007, 05:02 PM
Fair... are you replacing the radiator? If not, then you need to get the o-ring for the bottom of the expansion tank. Every E30 318is I've seen has that bastige leaking. It's a $1.20 part... but if you fill the radiator and then have to pull it, you'll be pissed.

Also, you may want to get a new tensioner for the side of the new motor. Pops in the passenger side just below the head. Spring loaded... keeps the chains quiet. Think it was about $20. The only other leak I ever had was the valve cover. Might as well replace that before putting it in or you'll be chasing yet another leak.
Duly noted. Will add to our order along with...

Intake gaskets
Air inlet hose from TB to air meter (ripped)
Some heater hoses to replace the jumblefXXk of crap that it had under the intake
Oilpan gaskets
Oil filter
Spark plugs
Maybe a radiator hose or two

Trying to keep it on the cheep! Got the motor on the stand last night; Hanchey to bring a 2nd engine stand over this weekend to mount the donor engine up, then we'll start swapping parts over, gaskets, etc.

Teucci
06-20-2007, 06:17 PM
Duly noted. Will add to our order along with...

Intake gaskets
Air inlet hose from TB to air meter (ripped)
Some heater hoses to replace the jumblefXXk of crap that it had under the intake
Oilpan gaskets
Oil filter
Spark plugs
Maybe a radiator hose or two
Engine that makes more than 35 horsepower



You left one item out! :-P

Fair!
06-21-2007, 08:51 AM
You left one item out! :-P
ouch! But probably going to be the first thing out of my mouth on the maiden voyage. :D

"Oh F**K this is a dog! Let's go to pick-a-part and get a five liter..."

(only half serious) What was the issue with the 5.0L you started to put into your old 318, Teucci? I see that the brake booster is going to be a prblem with any wide engine, and of course most of the whole motor would be hanging way out in front Subie-style.... where else were there problems? The E30 engine bay is so much smaller than the E36!

http://www.vorshlag.com/pictures/schier-347_thm.jpg (http://www.vorshlag.com/pictures/schier-347.jpg)

If anyone ever did want to go fast at a $200X GRM Challenge in an E30 I think a $99 5.0L and T5 would be the engine of choice, given enough time and fabricaiton ability (neither of which I have much of!). :confused:

http://www.vorshlag.com/pictures/bmw_tshirt_chick_sm.jpg
Here's an icy blast from the past. No reason. :)

John in Houston
06-21-2007, 09:30 AM
Hey... are you using the photo of that motor without the owner's permission? Hmmm... are you ;)

Fair!
06-21-2007, 02:09 PM
Hey... are you using the photo of that motor without the owner's permission? Hmmm... are you ;)
Just look at the girl in the T-shirt... keep staring... (Terry sneaks off...) :D

hancheyb
06-21-2007, 03:21 PM
Just look at the girl in the T-shirt... keep staring... (Terry sneaks off...) :D

Wonder why our website gets blocked....

Paul
06-21-2007, 03:21 PM
Just look at the girl in the T-shirt... keep staring... (Terry sneaks off...) :D

You are my hero. =)

Fair!
07-30-2007, 11:24 AM
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178535269-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/181550351-S.jpg

Saturday night, Jason McCall, 2.5 hours and 7 cans of brake cleaner later... the "new" but black goo covered engine and trans for the E30 are all clean and ready to go in!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/177490968-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178544855-S.jpg
Before... After

This was black from top to bottom. Not anymore. McCall Cleaned (tm).

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/177490751-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178534788-S.jpg

The night before Hanchey built these reinforcement plates for the K-member (see the cracks, above-left picture). While Jason thrashed on cleaning Saturday I welded and ground the very cracked K-member, then added the reinforcement plates and painted them black. Sunday Hanchey and I built a custom set of motor mounts for the E30/M42.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178537195-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178546304-S.jpg

The motor and trans are in (forgot to snap a pic) and the E36 based poly motor mounts look pretty good (probably not going to make these for production, tho). Hanchey made a nice parts list for some cheap stuff (belts, clips) but otherwise this puppy is going together with all old parts. Uberbudget build... for GRM $2008 Challenge? For a cheap street beater? Who knows. We sure don't! :D

Fair!
09-11-2007, 12:31 AM
More E30 work (from a couple of weeks back):

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/178545843-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/181549277-S.jpg
L: Welded K-member plates ...... R: Custom length M42 engine mounts (poly)

Once the engine fired up it was smooth as butter, so the poly bushings worked out pretty well for the little 4 banger!

Fair!
09-11-2007, 12:42 AM
It runs...

Hanchey has been attacking the E30 for the past 2 weeks, late into the night while I worked on other stuff, and he got it wrapped up the past two nights. He finished up the wiring, plumbing, and broken part replacements. All new vacuum lines in many sizes, belts, coolant hoses, new guiebo (driveshaft bushing), all new shifter bushings (huge difference)!, new air intake hose assembly (old one was ripped), radiator, fan, new trans/diff/engine lubricants (Redline and Castrol synthetics) and a million other things. He's been a busy man, and got dirty on a lot of hot nights lately, fighting this little monster. One or two more loose ends to wrap up (mostly the idle control valve and an aftermarket alarm removal) and it should purr like a kitten.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194325523-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194325751-S.jpg

I helped a little last night, with some engine detailing (of course!), wheel stud install, and help with the front offset control arm bushings removal/replacement. Getting those buggers forced onto the control arm ends was a total PITA. The old ones were trashed and the new ones didn't want to go on without a fight, esp. the passenger's side. Luckily no pictures were taken because this was the least graceful position I've ever been forced into working on a car: It looked like a failed game of Twister, played with a man and a car, with the car "on top". :confused: My back and arms are still sore, but we got 'em on.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194325566-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194325635-S.jpg

After two late nights in a row wrapping up all of the work, it runs and (probably) drives. Too dark/late to go drive it, as the low beams aren't working (only the hi beams). The front shocks are long thrashed, but we have some AST 4100s coming on our next shipment that will be tested on this car, along with some camber plates and a Mason front strut brace. It cleaned up underhood surprisingly well! With a little more TLC and some better wheels, this might not be such an eye sore after all. :)

hancheyb
09-11-2007, 09:01 AM
And the world's worst oil leak is fixed! We put the whole thing together, ran it and it leaked oil like crazy. Too much to be a seal. Turns out a plug in the back of the head was hand tight. Me thinks someone took it out to attach a chain to it at some point. Either way it is done.

Engine purrs like a kitten. Poly motor mounts are only slightly annoying. :)

McCall
09-11-2007, 09:12 PM
And the world's worst oil leak is fixed! We put the whole thing together, ran it and it leaked oil like crazy. Too much to be a seal. Turns out a plug in the back of the head was hand tight. Me thinks someone took it out to attach a chain to it at some point. Either way it is done.

Engine purrs like a kitten. Poly motor mounts are only slightly annoying. :)

Sweet!! So has it been driven??

Fair!
09-11-2007, 11:05 PM
Sweet!! So has it been driven??

Heck yes! We drove it tonight, in the dark, with no lights. W00! DangerWagon was reborn!!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194687982-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/194688118-S.jpg

The charging circuit doesn't seem to want to, um, charge, but other than that it runs like a top. Brian got the idle air control motor reinstalled and it idles now (amazing how that works). Washed off the cobwebs and funk, even mopped the floor. We'll work on the charging system and de-alarmafication later in the week. I HATE aftermarket alarms.

Fair!
09-18-2007, 11:16 PM
Hanchey has been attacking the E30 charging system little by little. Tonight, after swapping alternators back and forth and then testing one at a parts store (it was bad) he pulled them apart (down to the brushes/regulators) and found some issues: massive corrosion on a terminal, a missing ground strap on the other, and some subtle differences. Once that he became the E30 M42 alternator expert he quickly got one working unit together and fixed the charging system. :p

Brian yanked the stupid aftermarket alarm and the constant drain on the battery is now gone, too. Funny how "cheap alarm" and "constant amp draw" seem to go hand-in-hand.

It runs! It charges! It still has no Low beam headlights. The Bentley has missing wiring diagrams for the "one off" 1991 model 318is, so the bad low beam relay will be found with the "trial and error" method, swapping around the unmarked/unknown relays until the low beams work.

Tomorrow night - test drives out into the countryside! 6000 rpm clutch dumps! A long walk home!

hancheyb
09-19-2007, 08:26 AM
Yep, I probably wasted a night or two because I DOUBTED the Bentley. It was right all along. :) Never doubt your Bentley manual. But then there's the incorrect diagram for the fuse block. I guess we can let that go.

Can't wait to get it on the road. This car reminds me of working on a 240Z. Everything is pretty easy to get to and simple. I was just trying to overcomplicate it.

John in Houston
09-19-2007, 10:14 AM
It still has no Low beam headlights. The Bentley has missing wiring diagrams for the "one off" 1991 model 318is, so the bad low beam relay will be found with the "trial and error" method, swapping around the unmarked/unknown relays until the low beams work.

One of the links I sent to Hanchey had the location.

Tomorrow night - test drives out into the countryside! 6000 rpm clutch dumps! A long walk home!

Check the rear diff bushing before you do that... or it will be a costly walk home ;)

Hunter
09-19-2007, 11:06 AM
Never doubt your Bentley

Words to live by

Dean!
09-19-2007, 11:42 AM
Never doubt your Bentley
Words to live by

But don't trust a Hunter named Dick.

Fair!
09-30-2007, 05:33 PM
I poured over the rulebook looking for the right class for this car, if it even exists, and I think Hanchey has indeed found it - STS. Going to scale it soon to see if its close to the lightest ~1900 pound STS Honda (Hollis' car) and then onto a dyno to see if its got enough power. Might be the car and class we put Amy in next season?

16x7.5" wheels, 225 tires, AST/Vorshlag suspension, race seats, A/C removal, a lightweight battery, a custom header, a stock cat but custom cat-back, and a lot of tuning. Who knows?

The weight will tell us a lot about this car's potential...

Tommy R
09-30-2007, 05:46 PM
I'd LOVE to see a non-Civic be competitive in this class!

bfitz
09-30-2007, 10:09 PM
Russell Blume ran one in STX back in 2003. It was decently prepped, non-sunroof, cloth, etc. If I remember correctly, it was around 2400 lbs.

I was running my E36 325is in STS at the time, and we swapped cars for several runs at an event. Both drivers and cars were pretty even. I don't think an E36 could win STS anymore, and take the LSD away from that 318, and it's even worse. My advice: don't waste your time and money.

Brian

hancheyb
10-01-2007, 12:01 AM
Russell Blume ran one in STX back in 2003. It was decently prepped, non-sunroof, cloth, etc. If I remember correctly, it was around 2400 lbs.

I was running my E36 325is in STS at the time, and we swapped cars for several runs at an event. Both drivers and cars were pretty even. I don't think an E36 could win STS anymore, and take the LSD away from that 318, and it's even worse. My advice: don't waste your time and money.

Brian

+1

We tried to run two cars this year and you see where that got us. ;)

hancheyb
10-18-2007, 08:53 AM
I've been driving the 318 this week. Man, what a great daily driver (in the fall). :) A/C doesn't work yet. I cleaned up the carpet on one side, gotta do some more work, but in the end it should clean up nice. Got it inspected yesterday and it blew totally clean.

It needs a couple of interior pieces, a rear diff bushing, and some ASTs (they are in Customs) and it will be quite a little ride. It puts things in perspective driving a $350 car around. My neighbor was over talking about how he was going to buy a Ferrari 360. I said, why buy that when you can get 300 used e30s??? He said, "where would I put them all?" :)

John in Houston
10-18-2007, 10:48 AM
I told you... the dang things are a blast on the street... at least once you rev them ;)

Fair!
10-25-2007, 12:12 PM
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/212830244-M.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/212830235-M.jpg

We weighed the E30 last night, 2515#. It has at least 10 gallons of fuel (+70 ponds), the stock battery (+25 pounds), and stock and heavy wheels, tires, brakes, suspension, exhaust, and seats. We'll weigh it again after we get the AST 4100s on there, hopefully Saturday morning. That usually drops 6-8 pounds per corner.

So, not as light as the lightest 1969 pound Civics in STS... but not terrible, either.

McCall
10-25-2007, 12:44 PM
So are you thinking you could get it down to the 23XXlb range for STS? What's the hp advantage over the Civic?

Tommy R
10-25-2007, 01:46 PM
So are you thinking you could get it down to the 23XXlb range for STS? What's the hp advantage over the Civic?

...and the torque deficit? Still it'd be cool if this car could be competitive in STS. If I move to Dallas, I'd p1mp it!

T

Hunter
10-25-2007, 01:48 PM
...and the torque deficit? Still it'd be cool if this car could be competitive in STS. If I move to Dallas, I'd p1mp it!

T

You will pimp what we tell you to pimp[/Fair]



:-)

Tommy R
10-25-2007, 01:51 PM
I'm okay with that, too. :D

hancheyb
10-25-2007, 02:25 PM
So are you thinking you could get it down to the 23XXlb range for STS? What's the hp advantage over the Civic?

Oh yeah. It still has the spare and full size battery for starters.

1990 Civic Si
108 hp, 100 lb-ft, 2291 lbs
width: 66.3"

1991 318is
136hp, 127 lb-ft, 2515 lbs (27% more torque!)
width: 64.8"

Tommy, you're hired. :)

Tommy R
10-25-2007, 02:35 PM
Interesting. In STS trim, I wonder how those numbers compare? IOW, does a prepped Civic put out 130 hp and a 318 more or less....and of course it's be interesting to also see the power curves and compare power:weight. This would only address the straightline capability of the car in comparison to the Civic, but still nice to know.

If I'm in Dallas next season, put me down as a tire beyotch. :D

Paul
10-25-2007, 03:32 PM
I wonder what the 318is gearing is?

Tommy R
10-25-2007, 03:57 PM
I believe 4.10. I bet the Civic is steeper, though. No LSD may hurt the 318, no?

Fair!
10-25-2007, 05:06 PM
I believe 4.10. I bet the Civic is steeper, though. No LSD may hurt the 318, no?
None of the STS cars can have an LSD. Well, if they came from the factory with a Viscous type LSd they can, but there's like one (heavy) FWD car that this applies to.

So yes, we have to minimize body roll to keep from unloading the inside rear.... set-up will be crucial, to allow the car to be full throttle everywhere. 8)

Tommy R
10-25-2007, 05:18 PM
I see big springs and no rear bar in the 318's future. ;)

McCall
10-25-2007, 05:24 PM
I see big springs and no rear bar in the 318's future. ;)

Maybe even some barbell weights mounted in the right rear trunk as well :D

mikemc
10-25-2007, 09:22 PM
From Craigslist in Houston:

1991 BMW 318is, 5-Speed trans. Approx 190K miles.
The car runs good and has cold A/C, I have the title in hand.

Current tags and inspection
$1995 Cash!
Call me on my cell @ 713-894-0144


http://houston.craigslist.org/car/459338654.html

hancheyb
10-26-2007, 08:39 AM
I see big springs and no rear bar in the 318's future. ;)

I brought home 750's last night to do the rear suspension Saturday afternoon while John naps. :) RSMs are on their last leg. They are sounding scary.

Fair!
10-28-2007, 10:15 PM
Some updates and pictures:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214275336-M.jpg
Motor is running great and looking good

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214272973-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214273662-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214274220-S.jpg
Interior is cleaning up nicely

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214271937-M.jpg
This was after the rear AST shocks & 750#/in, 2.5" dia springs were added

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214276437-M-1.jpg
A single rear shock costs more than what we paid for the car! :D

hancheyb
10-29-2007, 08:26 AM
I took a lot of pictures of the suspension this weekend. AST coilover kit is almost too pretty for the car. :) The front inserts are "like buttah". The threaded collar that slips over the body doubles as the gland nut for the insert. Really slick design.

Bad news....I didn't ask AST what size springs to run, naturally assuming 60mm. The threaded collar is actually bigger than that to clear the 52mm strut body so I had to order 2.5" springs for it.

One thing is for sure. Once you put stiff springs on you feel every single 200k mile bushing on the car. Time for some subframe and diff bushings at a minimum.

bfitz
10-29-2007, 09:43 AM
Why, I have to ask, did you install 750 lb/in springs? Is the motion ratio extreme, are you following the "even a crappy suspension can work if you don't let it" mantra, or are you just a glutton for punishment?

Brian

hancheyb
10-29-2007, 10:57 AM
Why, I have to ask, did you install 750 lb/in springs? Is the motion ratio extreme, are you following the "even a crappy suspension can work if you don't let it" mantra, or are you just a glutton for punishment?

Brian

All of the above. Plus we had a set laying around and at this point everything is a guess. So far it rides better than a E36 with 750s. :) I take it the M3 had much softer springs?

bfitz
10-29-2007, 01:59 PM
I don't remember... That just seemed high for a lightweight car with no LSD.

Brian

Fair!
10-30-2007, 11:17 AM
Hanchey got the AST 4100s installed last night...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3739545#214866299 - installation pictures

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214865479-Th.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214866299-Th.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214867347-Ti.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214867696-Th.jpg

hancheyb
11-07-2007, 11:04 AM
New suspension is wonderful, BUT it showed how horrible the rear suspension bushings are. I've deemed it "undriveable" until we fix it. The driveshaft is hitting the body because the bushings are THAT bad. :) Bushings ordered, ready to install.

On another note, I put a new thermostat in it last night. The old one was stamped "10/97" and stuck open. Now that it is getting colder, it was time to keep it warm.

Hoping we can get it ready for the next LSC autocross. Might happen, might not....

Tommy R
11-07-2007, 11:15 AM
Pics since the lowering?

hancheyb
11-07-2007, 02:09 PM
Pics since the lowering?

Been doing all this late, LATE nights so I have nothing of substance for pictures. Soon, very soon. :)

Fair!
11-14-2007, 11:17 AM
11/14/07 Update:

We ordered several lightweight Deka batteries last week and put one of them (Deka ETX18L AGM battery) into the E30 late last night, as part of the STS prep. I also pulled the dead Odyssey PC680 out of my M3 and weighed it, then the Deka, and lastly an OEM replacement E30 battery (which itself was substantially smaller than original; most OEM BMW batteries are larger and 48-50+ pounds). The scale is 0-150 pound, .1 pound accurate.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392163-S-1.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392524-S.jpg
Left: The E30's 37.7 pound Diehard (now in my M3)
Right: The 17.5 pound Deka AGM replacement (an easy 20 pound drop)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392307-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392413-S.jpg
Left: PC680 vs. ETX18L
Right: PC680 @ 14.4 pounds

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392585-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221392724-S.jpg
Left: quickie aluminum brace (very secure)
Right: battery box bolted in the OEM location (then the cover was installed)

Crudely fabbed the mount in the wee hours of the night, but its a "race car" and its still very secure. I don't think it will move .001" under racing use.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/221388150-M-1.jpg
A "race car"? I know, it does seem like a stretch... :D

Other updates: We have 13 pound 15x7 wheels due tomorrow, and 225/50/15 Hankook Z212 (200 treadwear) tires due Friday. Mason strut braces sitting on the shelf. We have a full set of poly diff mount and rear LCA bushings ready to be installed tomorrow. If we get very... very lucky we'll have it somewhat prepped for STS and Brian will race it on Saturday at a BMWCCA event at Mineral Wells Saturday, then Amy will run it at a SCCA event at LaGrave Sunday. Lots of things have to arrive and fall onto the car in a very short time period for this to happen... otherwise we'll run it at the next local event.

Fair!
11-25-2007, 05:26 PM
Some E30 updates from work done during the Turkey Day break.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/224417037-S-2.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/224415892-S-3.jpg
Camber plates sure look pretty...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/223284792-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/223285049-S-1.jpg
Got the 225/50/15 Hankook Z212 tires (200 TreadWaer, $87!) mounted onto new 15x7" Kazara KZ/M wheels (13.9 lbs)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225365096-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225365759-S.jpg
Section width 9.2", tread width is closer to 8.7"

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225367753-S.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225369866-S.jpg
Rear subframe removed for polyurethane bushing replacements

Fair!
01-10-2008, 12:12 PM
Long time no update, wow. First off, the pics from last weekend after I washed the thick layer of dust off of this poor, somewhat neglected car...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/240487246-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/240486905-S.jpg

This latest round of repair work blossomed into more problems uncovered. We're slowly rebuilding the whole car from the ground up! :sneaky2: As soon as we fix one problem (and by "we" I mean "hanchey"), that repair uncovers another issue previously masked by a racket or clank.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225367753-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/225369866-S.jpg

The rear subframe repair work turned into much more than we had wanted. The upper mounting ears had snapped off, new metal was welded on for the repair, new poly bushings everywhere, etc. What a huge pain in the ass that work turned into! No wonder 2 shops each quoted 10+ hours of labor. And of course my obsessive compulsive cleaning disorder (OCCD) produced a cleaned then repainted subframe, diff housing, semi-polished diff cover, etc. Brian had to forcibly stop me before I finished detailing the lower control arms and halfshafts... :devillook

After that work was wrapped up then the left rear caliper wouldn't bleed (it was junk), which drove me nuts until an E36 spare caliper went on to prove what was wrong. A new E30 specific caliper and lots of bleeding (the rear channel had run dry back to the ABS, ugh) fixed that.

Next the the old exhaust was found to be nearly plugged (old Midasized muffler, no wonder it felt weak!) so its now in the scrap bin. The car now needs new after-cat exhaust (and I'm looking in this thread (http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/274202.aspx) about "legal aftermarket cats" we can use, if any) and some seats (some Sparcos and a slider are on order), as the driver's seat won't move and its too far forward for me to drive safely. I look like I'm driving a clown car, knees going everywhere... :D

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/240485048-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/240485432-S.jpg
LEFT: new caliper / RIGHT: Everything repaired and cleaned up back here, except lack of exhaust?!

So its semi-drive-able now (just VERY LOUD!) and we'll get it over to DP for a new exhaust maybe next week + do a few dyno pulls (before/after the new exhaust). Still have some time left before our first event with it (NASA HPDE at MSR-Houston in February?) or the first autocross (1-2 weeks later), but if the seats take too long to get here it might be rushed, as usual.

Fair!
01-21-2008, 05:10 PM
Lots of new ST tires to look at....

http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Parts/Miata/Wheels-Tires/Tire-Packages.html

Toyo T1R and the upcoming Kuho entry (not yet shown).

Redwood
01-21-2008, 05:14 PM
Have any links to info on the Kumho that's coming out?

Fair!
01-21-2008, 05:20 PM
Have any links to info on the Kumho that's coming out?
Nothing yet but speculation, from what I have found.

But here's pricing/availability on the Toyo R1R: http://www.good-win-racing.com/Mazda-Performance-Parts/Miata/Wheels-Tires/Tire-Packages.html

GotCone?
01-28-2008, 03:56 PM
Hanchey got the AST 4100s installed last night...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3739545#214866299 - installation pictures

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214865479-Th.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214866299-Th.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214867347-Ti.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/214867696-Th.jpg


When will you be offering AST 4100's kits for E30's publicly?

I ask as I recently acquired a '87 325is that I'm freshing and will be prepping for DE, TT, etc. and would like to run AST's on it since I didn't get the chance to on my M3. It's a shared project with a friend which is making it more affordable for both of us.

Thanks - Jon

Fair!
01-28-2008, 06:15 PM
When will you be offering AST 4100's kits for E30's publicly?

I ask as I recently acquired a '87 325is that I'm freshing and will be prepping for DE, TT, etc. and would like to run AST's on it since I didn't get the chance to on my M3. It's a shared project with a friend which is making it more affordable for both of us.

Thanks - Jon
We have an extra set of E30 AST4100 (front has inserts, as shown above) now - send me a PM - and we have more inbound from Holland. I will make sure we add this to our shopping cart soon.

The E30 AST 4200 and 4300 offerings are more difficult, as they require OEM hubs to build the new strut bodies into... the joy of E30 front suspension!

GotCone?
01-29-2008, 12:31 PM
You've got a PM

Fair!
01-29-2008, 05:02 PM
Might look at some of these 949 wheels for the E30 at some point...

http://www.949racing.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=84

sizes: 15x7.5, 15x8, 15x9

GotCone?
01-31-2008, 02:19 PM
I PMed but never heard back on info for the 4100 AST's.

:(

Jon

McCall
01-31-2008, 02:27 PM
I PMed but never heard back on info for the 4100 AST's.

:(

Jon

Jon, you need to call them if you need a quick answer. They are very busy fellas these days.

Fair!
01-31-2008, 04:34 PM
I PMed but never heard back on info for the 4100 AST's.

:(

Jon
Ack... the phone never stops ringing... :D

Even better - e-mail us at "Sales at vorshlag dot com". :D

Fair!
01-31-2008, 05:41 PM
Update... I just added an entry for the Vorshlag shopping cart to show an E30 AST4100 kit with springs, struts, shocks, rear shock mounts, and camber plates + perches. We had professional pictures taken of the kit and components but I haven't linked to them yet (so the pictures are from the install gallery, which weren't very detailed).

http://www.vorshlag.com/index.php?cPath=1_17_65

Note: The springs needed for these kits are an unusual length (120mm or 140mm) and are on order form AST, so we're probably a week away from being able to ship these kits.

I will also add an entry for a kit w/o camber plates... but why would you want to do that?! :-?

GotCone?
02-01-2008, 01:34 PM
I wouldn't want to do that at all!

Thanks Terry.

Fair!
02-24-2008, 09:52 PM
After a last minute alignment Friday (thanks Eurosport!) Amy and I volunteered to help set-up some auto-x and drift courses at Mineral Wells for some local 240SX guys. That then gave us the opportunity to do some testing on the E30 before the car has entered its first competition event this season (our previously planned test session had been rained out).

We set-up our standard 30 second test course and drove our '91 318is with the all new suspension set-up for the first time on a course. After various shock settings didn't fix it, a significant spring rate change in the rear helped to calm down the chassis. Further timed testing (about 66 runs in total) with both drivers helped chase down valving and other parameters for the base set-up with the Hankooks (to be replaced by Bridgestones in 15" and 16" sizes shortly). The E30 even did well in head-to-head comparisons with the other cars there on the large 1+ mile course they were running, so maybe this chassis has some promise.

Pics: picture gallery (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/4393256_PQbvs#257960151)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/257959592_c9YzT-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/257961444_Tftk7-S-1.jpg
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/257966493_WYCKr-S-1.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/257967740_nDJnF-S-1.jpg

Weather was a little wacky - it was 31F and windy in the morning but slowly warmed up to 75F and sunny in the afternoon. Typical Texas winter day. :D Running around shagging cones, driving 30+ runs, and thrashing on the suspension set-up all day didn't help this bout of flu I have had for the past week, and the day after the all day test event I am wiped out. But the testing was invaluable and well worth it.


Alignment: Camber -3.7F & -1.5R. Caster +9.0. Toe 1/4" in Rear, 1/8" out Front.
Shocks: AST4100 with 60mm coilovers
Camber Plates: Vorshlag E30 plates
Springs: 750#/in Rear changed mid-day to 570 #/in
Wheels: 15x7" Kazera, 13.9 pounds
Tires: Hankook 225/50/15 (temporary), 35 psi
Sway Bars: Stock 318is
Limited Slip: Not allowed in this chassis, this class

The tricky part was getting settings that allowed the car to have traction on corner exit without a limited slip. The shocks worked like magic on this semi-bumpy course and the settings we got down to should give us adjustment for other surfaces. Still, we will be much more confident once we run this against other autocrossers, PAX, etc. Saturday's testing was against the clock only, for the most part. It might still be slow relative to the STS class dominant Hondas... don't know yet.

A new set of 16x7.5" wheels are due any day, as are two sets of RE-01Rs (15" and 16").

Hunter
02-25-2008, 11:45 AM
what wheel are you going to run for the 16s and what size tire? I am going to need to buy wheels and tires for the 325 soonish

Tommy R
02-25-2008, 11:53 AM
The 318is didn't come with a limited slip as standard equipment?

Tommy

hancheyb
02-25-2008, 12:21 PM
The 318is didn't come with a limited slip as standard equipment?

Tommy

Optional.

Tommy R
02-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Interesting. So at one point the "s" in "is" represented a sports package on E30 models. Springs, bars, seats, LSD, etc. Did that change at some point?

Tommy

hancheyb
02-25-2008, 05:16 PM
Interesting. So at one point the "s" in "is" represented a sports package on E30 models. Springs, bars, seats, LSD, etc. Did that change at some point?

Tommy

I thought the "s" just meant 2 door during that period.

Tommy R
02-25-2008, 05:43 PM
No, the "s" meant sport package. On E36s they changed it and "i" denoted 4 doors and "is" denoted 2 doors. So E30s were available in 2 door 325i models, but they never offered a 4 door 325is. They were all 325i models.

T

GotCone?
02-26-2008, 10:41 AM
Springs: 750#/in Rear changed mid-day to 570 #/in
So you went from 750 to 570 rear rate, what are you running up front?

Jon

hancheyb
02-26-2008, 11:23 AM
So you went from 750 to 570 rear rate, what are you running up front?

Jon

He's everywhere! Yes, 570/570. I probably need to reverify that. I installed them in November. I've slept since then.

Fair!
02-26-2008, 12:31 PM
what wheel are you going to run for the 16s and what size tire? I am going to need to buy wheels and tires for the 325 soonish
I'll post pics of them when they arrive. 16x7.5", $550/set delivered. Some Honda wheel, silver mesh. Weight is "we think 16 pounds", so not very light, but I will weigh them.

GotCone?
02-26-2008, 01:12 PM
should be interesting. I'll bet you'll like them w/ the 16" stones better than 15" kooks... or even the stones in their crappy 15" size.

Here's some light 16x7's for you if you like honda wheels: http://mokanmotorsports.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2753
Not ideal for width, but super light, if you find the 16's work best.

If you want to off-load your 225/50-15 RS2's... let me know, seriously.

Fair!
04-03-2008, 11:54 AM
I'll post pics of them when they arrive. 16x7.5", $550/set delivered. Some Honda wheel, silver mesh. Weight is "we think 16 pounds", so not very light, but I will weigh them.

Ugh, what a fiasco! "Only $550 a set shipped, and they claim 16 pounds, how bad could they be?" Well, for one they were about 20% heavier than advertised...

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/259900742_YqN8H-S.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/259900483_NowUc-S.jpg
These Maxxim LeMons 16x7.5" wheels were claimed at 16 pounds, but really weighed 19.1 pounds. That's fine for a street car, but not so good on a gutless 4 banger BMW. :D I was disappointed of course, and never even mounted a tire on them. Luckily I was able to get the vendor to take them back and refund everything but the shipping. Lesson learned: cheap wheels are never light

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/223284792_ML6LA-S.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/260746180_DV3Cm-S-1.jpg
As a comparison, our 15x7 wheels are only 13.9 pounds. The new 16x7" OZ UltraLagerra wheels weighed in at 15.0 pounds last night. The 15" and 16" tires are almost exactly the same weight, so we're gaining 1.1 pounds going from 15" to 16" wheels & tires. Not a bad compromise, me thinks.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/274596951_eRUQu-M.jpg

The 2 sets of shaved RE01Rs that Bridgestone gave Amy (she's contracted to drive on these for '08 ) showed up a few weeks back:

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/265295625_TGR7y-S.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/265295318_cBJUr-S.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/265293868_yVFx5-S.jpg

The 205/45/16's are marginally wider than the 195/50/15s, but roughly the same height. The 195s were run on our 15x7 Kazara wheels at the last SCCA (Pennington Field, concrete) event, and she was off of the top Civic (Atkins) by about .9 sec on her first outing on the new tires & rear spring set-up. Tires weren't scrubbed in by the 3rd and final run, with all of the shaving marks still clearly visible, so that probably didn't help. Still some set-up work to test and the stock swaybars aren't doing it any good.

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/266991142_ReoKA-S-1.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/266992437_R465t-S.jpg

We're getting Tommy Regan to co-drive it with her at the Dallas Tour on May 2-4, and are lining up a driver for it on the April 27th TMS "Pre-Tour" regional for more testing (Amy and I are going to be at the Long Beach GrandPrix and then Hawaii), while Hanchey runs the XP car on its all new set-up and Hankook (?!) tires, before the Tour. By then we should have the new seats in place, harnesses, the 16x7" wheels, and the 205mm RE01Rs on the E30.

We had ordered two Sparco Spring 5 seats back in JANUARY but they are still MIA, so we cancelled that order and got two UltraShield aluminum seats coming to us instead.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/270571254_zuN8g-M.jpghttp://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/271189630_crUoF-M.jpg
Left: Sparco "Sprint 5" steel framed seat (19-20 pounds)
Right: UltraShield RallySport aluminum seat (16-17 pounds)

(2) UltraShield RallySport seats, 15" (drivers) and 17" (pass) widths, 20 layback angle ($249 each from Solo Performance (http://www.soloperformance.com/Ultrashield-Rally-Sport-Seat_p_131-1365.html), Thanks Dave!). Going to bolt these to a pair of Sparco Sliders we already bought and they should get close to the 25 pound minimum (I'll make the adapter brackets "extra heavy duty" to be safe).

Been street driving it a bit - it rides pretty well on the stock 195/60/14 M&S junko street tires. :D We already have new LF fender and a grill insert ready to go on it. When we get a few hours to work on the exterior we'll get these on, wet sand the paint, and buff areas necessary for the PDR man to get a few hail dings out. Then its off to our painter to get a big dent repaired and shot it with a fresh coat of the original BMW "diamondschwartz-metallic" charcoal metallic (gotta love the uber long goofy German paint names (http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/224416639_z7fUz-M.jpg)!).

Fair!
04-30-2008, 11:46 AM
Snapped some pics with the new OZ 16x7" wheels and Bridgestones mounted. They will be run for the Tour this weekend by Tommy in STS and Amy in STS-L:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287053817_S2BoL-M.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287054445_685Eg-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287054622_4bbM7-S.jpg
This is with our 5mm spacers at each corner.

It could use 10-15mm spacers and "look better". When we make production 4x100 bolt circle E30 BMW wheel spacers in 10mm and 15mm thicknesses we'll test them with these. We might even make up some custom wheel spacers that convert a BMW hub size to the more popular Miata wheel hub bore (what these particular wheels are made to) so they are truly hubcentric. We mentioned this offhand on a forum once and had several folks reply that they would be interested in us making these spacers as a product, because there are SO many Miata wheels that would work on an E30 if these "conversion" spacers were offered...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287054829_bm453-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287054982_7VJ2U-S.jpg
Vorshlag 75mm wheel studs, lug nuts and 5mm spacers. 205/45/16 Bridgestone RE01Rs (thanks Bridgestone!)

Several more pictures located here (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3000491_4M9Ze#287053817_S2BoL).

Fair!
04-30-2008, 11:47 AM
Update: We received the Ultra-Shield seats less than 24 hours after they were built at UltraShield! Awesome shipping. Thanks SoloPerformance.com (http://www.soloperformance.com/Ultra-Shield-Aluminum-Seats_c_131-1.html)! Even better news: they are considerably lighter than we had hoped.

That right there deserves the happy dance. :redspot:

We were initially content with using a pair of 19# steel framed fixed back seats (Sparco) for $300/each but after we completely struck out with SparcoUSA (and after waiting 3 months and still not receiving them yet, nor our long overdue refund) we did some research and found these UltraShield Rally Sport seats to be a really good option, and only $249 each. There were so many style, width and layback options as to be confusing, but we got good advice from some autocrossers and Solo Performance and I think we ended up with a really kickass pair of seats for $498.

First thing we did after opening the box was to weigh them. Wow! :eek:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518186_CATME-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518410_NK8RR-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518517_davSr-S.jpg
Passenger's seat: UltraShield Rally Sport, 20° layback, 17" width, "the Big Boy" that can fit damn near anyone. 15.8 pounds!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518674_C3pQ2-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518780_jKWX5-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287519010_fwko4-S.jpg
Driver's seat: UltraShield Rally Sport, 20° layback, 15" width, "the Skinny seat" that is roughly similar to a Sparco EVO width. 14.9 pounds!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518842_Qkqnq-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/287518937_aTkb2-S.jpg
UltraShield Rally Sport, 20° layback, 15" width, without upholstered/foam cover is only 12.7 pounds!

There are seats costing upwards of $1500/each that aren't as light as these seats (most composite FRC or Kevlar fixed back big name seats are 18-21 pounds). The best part about aluminum seats are the additional mounting options: being metal you can drill thru the sides or bottom for side mount or bottom mounting. For a typical fixed back racing seat this just isn't an option. Fabrication quality is top notch.

Bottom mounting options allows us to more easily use Sparcos affordable low-profile sliders and bolt them to the bottom for a compact, lightweight slider set-up. Others just bolt these seats directly to the floorpan, or onto small brackets that align to the factory seat mounting points. Of course they suggest bolt and washer size for proper mounting. I'll post more when they are mounted in the E30, hopefully tonight.

Link to these seats is here (http://www.soloperformance.com/Ultra-Shield-Aluminum-Seats_c_131-1.html).

GotCone?
04-30-2008, 12:29 PM
Nice seats... good place to buy them from too. Make sure to post up pics once installed and feel free to offer seat brackets for these for E30's.

I too would like to see the miata hub centric spacer. The 6UL's from 949racing would work nicely for anyone looking to run a wide range of width 15" wheels. Even... 15x7.5" ;)

Tommy R
04-30-2008, 09:21 PM
Woo hoo! Can't wait to drive it and thanks again to the Vorshlag boys for the opportunity! I won't really get out of work early on Friday, but I'll be at the site around 6 or 7 pm.

T

Fair!
05-06-2008, 12:10 PM
Of course mounting the U.S. seat in the E30 took longer than it should have. I've blown too many hours before doing custom brackets, and this was no exception. I started at about 1:30 am the night before a National Tour event... brilliant! I got done with the first seat (passenger's side, non-adjustable) at 5:30 am and bagged the driver's side. And up again at 7:30 am.... brilliant! Measuring, marking and mock-up took as long as cutting and welding, of course.

Finished product:

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290520128_Ss3ud-S.jpg http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290519571_Tz6cP-S.jpg

Construction:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290701864_Q6PJq-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290702484_ipmGZ-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290703494_F8kCd-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290704251_FWyKg-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290704724_sKeEX-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290705332_En2JW-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290706004_SAMBC-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290706644_wMD6t-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/290707474_xJqKf-S.jpg

More pics here (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3000491_4M9Ze#290701864_Q6PJq). Notes: I used 1.25" ERW square tubing, I forget the wall thickness but its was heavier than needed - over 5 pounds of steel. The class this car runs in (SCCA STS) requires a 25 pound seat+bracket, and with a 15.8 pound seat and only a 5 pound bracket I've got to add ~4 pounds of ballast to this bracket to meet the minimum. But that's fine - its down low and centrally mounted weight. :) Please excuse the filthy carpet under the seat (it was a $350 car, by the way - looks like someone died in there!) and since its raw steel I'll just zinc plate the whole assembly once I finish the driver's side mount. The joints for the tubes to each other were fully perimeter welded, but it was extremely late so they are far from picture perfect welds.

The mount ended up being 2.5" tall total, but it was all just enough to clear a huge hump in the floor in between the side rails and leave barely enough room to fish the nuts/washers onto the thru-bolts for the seat-to-bracket mounting, from above. I kept the passenger seat as low and as far back as possible. Tons of headroom for 6'+ riders, and shorter passengers can just see over the dash mounted like this. Width was fine - tons of room to the door and tunnel for this 17" wide UltraShield Rally Pro (they make 14-18" widths, and we used a 15" for driver's side). I'll tackle the driver's side mount with the Sparco slider later, which should still make it under the minimum 25# weight with ease.

Used M10 Grade 10.9 Zinc Plated bolts and nylock nuts throughout, as well as over-sized hardened washers to spread the load into the aluminum seat bottom. I kept the washers on the flat area of the bottom of the seat, to avoid the bends. Hex bolt heads are covered by much padding so no worries about comfort - I couldn't feel them unless I stuck my hand under the padding/cover. Front floor mounting holes used the factory M10 floor studs, and I hole sawed an access hole in the tubing there just big enough for a thin walled socket to tighten the M10 nylocks in the front mounting area.

I need to go back and add floor reinforcement/mounts for the lap and and sub belts for the harnesses. The sub belts can mount right to the front of bracket I built, and in fact I might add diagonal tubing to spread that load into the main assembly - and for that much needed ballast weight. For now (and to meet class rules which state we must maintain the factory seat belt functionality; a harness is of course optional and encouraged with race seats) I added the factory lower seat belt receptacle to the bracket and fished the factory 3-point belt though the side opening for the seat and upholstered cover. Works great and is easy to use for street use (this car is still daily driven).

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/289866968_Hv7aF-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/289880042_7WpzL-S.jpg
Left: Note low sitting height of a 6' tall passenger (TommyR). Perfect. Right: Amy running the car in STS-L

With this one lightweight seat in place the car weighed 2423 pounds soaking wet on the SCCA's scales (same model scales as ours'). Factory manual cloth seat + bracket was 48 pounds/each (light for BMWs; E36 seats we've weighed were 62-78 pounds/each). We calculated that we have another 100-130 pounds we can lose from the car, legally and easily. And to compete against the Honduhs, we need to lose all the weight we can...

GotCone?
05-06-2008, 02:37 PM
Jesse Caudill is quick... but I was surprised at the class winning time. STS really took it to STS2 at the tour it appears.

I don't miss running in STS w/ the Honda's at all. :D

Good luck!! I really hope you guys can put on a good show at Topeka this year with the E30.

Jon

Tommy R
05-06-2008, 02:40 PM
It'll definitely be an uphill battle agains the Civics, but the car definitely will get lots faster. Bigger tires will help and tweaking it to plant power coming out of the corners will both yield huge dividends. It was really tough to get the car to pull out of the corners last weekend.

The handling felt really good, though. The turn-in was maybe a bit slow, but that's easily tweaked. Also, I'm rusty so I was likely quite "jerkier" with the wheel and late on inputs which wouldn't help. :)

Terry, let us know when the vids are posted. Would love to check those out...

Tommy

Miatamoto
05-13-2008, 04:46 PM
Jesse Caudill is quick... but I was surprised at the class winning time. STS really took it to STS2 at the tour it appears.

I don't miss running in STS w/ the Honda's at all. :D

Good luck!! I really hope you guys can put on a good show at Topeka this year with the E30.

Jon

STS2 was running in the first heat at a big disadvantage due to the temperatures.

Fair!
05-19-2008, 11:29 AM
Terry, let us know when the vids are posted. Would love to check those out...

Tommy
You got it - here's one of Amy's: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/4882794_PPm2C#293004960_LCHBB

We'll get some of yours up soon. :)

And here's me driving like crap in the XP car: http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/4882794_PPm2C#292465005_fBMA9

STS2 was running in the first heat at a big disadvantage due to the temperatures.
Very true, as well as Amy's STS-L runs - also in the first heat. It was 58F and wind was bitter cold until late int he day Saturday; even Sunday had big temp improvements from first to forth heats. 2 driver cars had a big advantage, as I noted.

Fair!
05-29-2008, 02:31 PM
Woot! Just finished the driver's seat install, after putting it off for weeks...

Finished last night around 1:30 am. We used a slider on the driver's side due to 4 different drivers racing this car at various times, with vastly different heights.

I used 3/8" dia bolts for most everything; the 3/8" bolts' hex heads just slide between the Sparco rails but I had to enlarge the semi-slotted holes in the sliders just a hair for these. Anything larger would have meant the Sparco rail sides would have been notched/weakened. I don't know what bolt size these are made to use (8mm by the look of it - that was the biggest metric bolt diameter that would fit the Sparco holes) but that looked too puny, so 3/8" bolts (.375") were chosen for strength. The OEM floor studs and bolts for the main bracket are OEM 10mm diameter (.393") and the seat belt is mounted also with an OEM 12mm diameter bolt (.472"). On the front of the floor-to-Sparco bracket holes I used two 3/8" Socket Head Cap Screws (SHCS - the kind with an Allen hex drive, and a round instead of hex shaped head) since I couldn't access the nut underneath enough to turn it (too close to the floor). This way I could hold the nut on bottom and turn the bolt on top with an Allen wrench. The other 6 holes for the rails and seat mounting used the normal 3/8" dia Grade 8 hex headed bolt, as it fits between the recessed Sparco rails and those hold the hex head of the bolt still while you tighten a nut from underneath.

Ended up with the bolt spacing into the seat on the driver's side to match the Sparco slider holes (which can't really be moved all that safely). This puts the seat-to-slider bolts right near the edges of the seat and "over the bend" at the front, which meant some funky shaped or bent washers.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303548662_2mnut-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303548411_U3ERE-S.jpg
Left: Washers custom fitted to cover as much area as possible. Right: Finish welded part (prior to bead blasting and powder coat)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303549106_Vyxmi-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303549684_xqJAT-S.jpg
Left: Lower bracket bolted into chassis. OEM seat belt buckle added for street use. Right: Bracket with Sparco Slider attached

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303550770_ME2mo-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303552004_DrxfN-S.jpg

Left: Seat bolted to bracket. To access bolts the slider is slid fore and aft during installation. Easy.
Right: Finished seat in place, with seat belt buckled. It doesn't look like it but it does fit snugly against your hip bone, like it should.

Four different drivers, all with different builds and heights, sat in the finished seats with sliders and all of us fit comfortably in the seats and to the controls. Height was an issue... any higher and I'd not have enough room with a helmet, but lower and Amy couldn't see over the steering wheel. We used the aluminum fixed back UltraShield 15" wide Rally Pro 20 layback model. On retrospect the 10 layback would have been a better choice (and yes, many of you here told me that. doh!) as my wife had trouble reaching the pedals in my first iteration of the slider brackets, with no forward tilt in the brackets. I did a little trigonometry, some measuring, some cursing, cut the hell out of the lower bracket and changed the design to knock about 5 of layback out of the finished seat set-up.

Its nearly perfect for Amy (this car was built to be "her race car" after all) and feels great to the rest of us, too. Of course we centered the seat with the steering wheel, which would have been offset about 2" to the left (and the seat would touch the door panel; as it is there's over 1.5" of clearance to the door) if I had used the OEM floor seat holes without an offset in the brackets. Leaves plenty of room for a cage's door bars. The matching passenger seat is fixed in place, lower and further back for better CG with a passenger, just like we wanted. :)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303551222_rtKa2-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303551616_ThEdY-S.jpg

Here's me (6'3") in the driver's seat at full forward position ("Mr. Magoo") and slid back to where I "fit", which isn't even the full rearward adjustment. The forward position shown is how Tommy R and I have both raced it, as the OEM slider was broken/stuck in this position. The seat install was long overdue! There's so much fore-aft adjustment range that I can actually get into and out of the back seat relatively easily. To sit back there. I know, that's not supposed to be possible with fixed back seats, but I fit in back with my wife sitting in front. :-?

Total time for driver's side? Way too many hours, once again. :frown: I chipped away at it over 3 different days or nights, with help from 3 different people (Chris L, Matt P, and Jason M). Making custom seat brackets with sliders is a pain in the rear. Lots of time spent measuring, mocking up, test fitting before you can do the actual fab work. So when you see custom brackets made for your car that cost $200-400 each... trust me, its worth it if they fit you/the car/the seat. Having to compensate for ordering the wrong layback was my own fault. Luckily I had ample hardware on hand so no trips to the steel supply or hardware store needed.

Cheers,

GotCone?
05-29-2008, 02:49 PM
Nice work!

Fair!
05-29-2008, 02:59 PM
While I WORKED ON the seat bracket fab work yesterday, Hanchey was busy installing our 2nd set of shortened OEM E30 front strut housings onto our little E30 318is. These were shortened 1" and at a lower ride height actually have more shock travel. The OEM struts are pretty dang long...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303550581_DKEFU-S.jpg

He ordered new hubs today, so everything should be wrapped up this weekend. Then he's got some bits to build custom 4300 triple adjustable rear shocks. And the H&R adjustable front bar should be on then, too. Just in time for Amy and TommyR to race it in about a a week at the next SCCA SW Divisional.

Here's some pics of another set of shortened E30 front housings. We take the housing, cut off the OEM lower perch, then shorten the housing tube and then re-tap it for the upper gland nut/spring perch assembly. The shortened housing then gets plated and backed/normalized. Looks so nice. We will offer this is an in-house product/service soon, with core exchanges. (4200 and 4300 strut housings have the OEM tube lopped off and an all new one added - this is only done at AST in Holland). The rear shock shown is a normal AST 4200 double adjustable aluminum body shock but with a coilover conversion kit installed.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303221073_cWqU3-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303220816_ApEDg-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303220974_2jmSP-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303220887_KgDXt-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303220936_BgMNX-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/303221022_8zXR6-S-1.jpg

So pretty its a shame they are fairly well hidden when installed... :cool

Miatamoto
05-29-2008, 03:33 PM
Looks great! See ya'll at the divisional.

hancheyb
05-29-2008, 04:45 PM
Looks great! See ya'll at the divisional.

You won't see Fair and I. We'll be at the GRM UTCC event in California.

hancheyb
05-29-2008, 04:50 PM
For the modified housings, Fair left out..."and they won't be cheap". http://images.bimmerforums.com/smilies/smile.gif I think most DIYers can find a place to shorten the housings. You won't get the pretty plating, etc, but you'll save some money. Either way, these turned out great. Can't wait to drive it.

BTW, our plater does most of the military work in Dallas so everything we plate that needs it, gets baked to "Mil Specs" to avoid hydrogen embrittlement.

For the rear, we're making a custom 4300. Since we have to run an open diff in this car, I wanted to maximize rebound travel. On a typical shock, to get more rebound, you have to lengthen the shaft and lengthen the body of the shock so that you don't bottom it out internally. That means you really can't lower the car as much. By going to a remote reservoir we can actually add a longer shaft and not lengthen the body of the shock since we remove the floating piston from the body of the shock, it is in the remote reservoir. We'll see how it works. It is a nice experiment for grins.

The nice thing about the rear shock we provide with the E30 kits is that the fill plug is the same threaded hole used on the 4300's hose fitting so we can just remove the floating piston and add the hose/res and do some shim changes in the process. It's a straight forward, future upgrade for anyone purchasing the E30 4100 kit. I'm hoping to do a before and after on the shock dyno this week.

GotCone?
05-30-2008, 08:12 AM
good info Brian.

Nice to hear the upgrade from a 4100 is not too involved. Might be something we'll be doing in the future to ours.

Fair!
06-28-2008, 06:34 PM
We had the E30 down for a couple of weeks while we installed some new parts and replaced a few OEM pieces. First thing that went on were Vorshlag shortened, retapped, and yellow zinc-chromate plated E30 strut housings. Inside these new housings went shortened AST 4100 monotube inserts. This was to test some new strut shortening procedures (its a pain, but worth it) and everything worked perfectly.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486016_2nocq-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486053_3Xc3n-S.jpg

While the front end was apart I had the brake backing plates plated (I'm a pimp like that) and Hanchey installed new front hubs (they were the "FAG" brand... I can't make this up) and 75mm Competition wheel studs, and then put on one of our steel strut braces. We also installed an H&R front swaybar, which helped reduce some lean. The same 570#/in rate springs went back in, but this time we could use a real 6" long spring instead of the 5" springs we had to use with the stock (long) housings.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486086_Fi2ru-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486070_K9Rj2-S.jpg

The AST 4100 kit for the front of an E30 comes with these slick adjustable perches that take the place of the factory gland nut. They just thread into the original M48 internal thread on the top of the strut housing, and then the coilover spring sits on these perches (see pics in post above). Since we shortened the housings (and removed the OEM lower perches at the same time) we had to re-tap this internal thread. This is a better process than doing the Frankenstein "cut off the top, cut out a shortened section, then reweld it all back together and hope its square" surgery we've seen done elsewhere. We've done a few sets of shortened E30 struts now and have some extra E30 housings on hand to make more, so we will offer this shortening service on an exchange basis for E30 non-Ms, and on a turn-around procedure for E30 M3s (can't find M3 housings) soon. Remember, this procedure involves bead blasting the entire housing, band saw cutting, cut off wheel work to remove the OEM perches, grinding and sanding to clean everything up, and retapping the tube with a massive and expensive M48 tap (a 2 man job), then electroplating the entire assembly. It won't be a cheap upgrade, but it will be very worthwhile as a shorter housing allows for more travel at a lower ride height.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486129_49ALg-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486147_NU6ka-S.jpg

For the back of the E30 Hanchey had some creative plans in mind, and they worked brilliantly. The car has no Limited Slip Diff and can't use one in the STS class it is running in, and we noticed the tires barely leaving the pavement in hard corners watching slow-motion HiDef videos. We tried stiffer spring rates (750#/in) but even though the car felt flatter in corners it was slower in testing than with the 570# springs. It still lifting the rear tire off the ground just enough to induce wheel spin no matter what we tried.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486171_MuEUQ-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/321486196_wizC3-S.jpg

So the proposed solution was to allow for a LOT more rear droop travel - several inches more than the already ample amount built into the 4100 rear shocks. To do this Hanchey scratch built some 4300 rear shocks which naturally moved the compression stack and floating piston to the remote reservoirs, which left more room for some serious shock travel in the main shock body. Not only that, but we got two additional compression adjustments at the same time (hi and low speed). A dual coilover+tender spring set-up was added to the rear to allow the spring to remain seated at this extreme droop travel. We also installed some new Vorshlag Nylon lower spring alignment platforms (these now come with all BMW 3 series AST kits when you order them with springs). Its always more expensive to go to triple adjustable monotube shocks, and mounting the remotes can be challenging, but it worked for this goofy non-LSD equipped car perfectly. The car is HOOKED UP now! To do doubles or triples in the front is a lot more complicated, and has to be done by AST in Holland using your front spindles. We'll wait on that for now...

The new UltraShield seats proved a perfect fit for our many co-drivers, and I've driven around for hours in the car on the street making shop deliveries in this little beast. I will admit that after a couple of hours in 100°F heat the broken A/C is becoming "annoying" and the aluminum seats could use a bit more padding in the butt area for longer drives. I'll find some foam to use for street drives and cut it to fit. The leg bolstering and shoulder fit is perfect, and the fore-aft travel is hilariously long.

We got another set of RE01Rs from Bridgestone (225/50/16) and we'll be running the car at the next SW Divisional on them, with me, TommyR, and Amy driving it in STS and STS-L. On the street the car rides fantastically, and with the compression turned down its a dang Cadillac. We let several E30 racers drive it after a recent BMWCCA local chapter meeting and it was universally praised. Most folks that sat in the seats loved them, too. the 15" width didn't fit everyone that tried them (but fits all of our drivers) but the 17" width passenger seat did.

Up next: New rear shock tower brace installation (just got them back from powder coat - they are beautiful!) and permanent mounting of the remotes in the rear. Then that ghetto exhaust is getting hacked off and a new lightweight, mandrel bent system goes in with a new muffler. The old MagnaFlow has seen duty on 3 cars over the past 4 years and is totally shot - it sounds like a Honda with a fart tip!

hancheyb
06-30-2008, 10:59 AM
As an example of what "hooked up" means. You can now flat foot the car in first gear coming out of a parking lot and entering the middle lane of a 6 lane (3 lanes/side) road, right hand turn. I even tried to make the turn as square as possible. Before it would have just wildly spun the inside tire. Same is true for turning left on a two lane road. Just floor it and go. The torque monster 1.8L just pulls to redline. :) Granted, those aren't race conditions, but it certainly will be a different car now. And since most autocross turns will be in 2nd gear, it should work well.

Fair!
07-15-2008, 02:30 PM
OK, lots of updates... first, the bad news:

http://www.vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332416482_Pd6hC-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332432134_EfDoc-S.jpg

Here's what can happen with OEM rubber trans mounts (above). This is from our E30 BMW after running it all day at a huge 1.5 mile long autocross last Saturday... We were running it with the stock rubber transmission mounts (until we had more poly mounts in stock). Big mistake. The OEM mounts (in the top left picture) are VERY stretched. These sloppy rubber mounts allowed the whole transmission to shift sideways about 3/4", which bound up the shift linkage, which caused for a missed shift, which EXPLODED the clutch... This is why we make competition transmission mounts.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332433950_7SPYY-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332433577_3yBou-S.jpg
At left... no more friction material?? At right... that black powder is all that's left of the stock clutch

This was the result. Luckily it didn't damage the motor (Money $hift). We have our poly transmission bushings going into this car tonight (along with a new clutch). I'd normally blame bad shifting but I was driving it at the time and it was just bound up so badly it couldn't go into gear. Simple upshift under lateral load. It had been giving the other 3 drivers of the car fits all day, so I took a practice run in it after the competition was over. Of course is explodes on me.

Our new 95A and 80A durometer thru-bolt transmission mount design works on all E30s (http://www.vorshlag.com/index.php?cPath=1_17_49) (except S14/M3) and all E36 and all E46 manual transmission equipped cars. Call this insurance.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332364631_CdxuY-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332358214_BkFfm-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332364365_xBH3h-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332364956_SRt3M-S.jpg
(right before the clutch vaporized, last weekend at a BMWCCA autocross. She won her class by 5 seconds, at least)

I didn't run the E30 that day (other than for a couple hundred feet before doing "the clutch bomb"), but was instead was racing in Dean's C5 Corvette FRC, testing a brand new set of AST4100s. Haven't raced in Corvettes in a couple of years but they are too easy to go fast with. The shocks worked really damn well on this big, bumpy course, and I was able to win my class and set FTD by a nice margin even with cone trouble on my fastest runs. The C5 rides 10X better than it did with some "other brand" twin tube adjustable shocks it had before, too.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332360999_LvSDj-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/331788292_7CcSX-S.jpg

Cheers,

Fair!
07-15-2008, 02:31 PM
OK, some of the work that went on the week before this last event:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/327608360_xpbtv-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/327608407_yaNiG-S.jpg
Here is our new E30 steel rear shock tower reinforcement brace (http://www.vorshlag.com/index.php?cPath=1_17_23). So pretty... want to touch the shiny...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332415886_FunGY-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332415784_pYeWY-S.jpg
Fair getting in the trunk installing new Vorshlag rear shock mounts. So strong, so stiff! Makes a great mount for...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332416242_98KXa-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332416221_hJHLt-S.jpg
The AST4300 "Long Droop" rear shocks' remote reservoirs

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332416207_tfzqC-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332416515_Aohaa-S.jpg
The 225/50/16 Bridgestones are PHAT! Had to roll the rear fender lips to clear them. They have more grip, of course.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332433588_s7rKz-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/332433965_cXBH3-S.jpg

Should finish the clutch and oil pan gasket repairs tonight... just in time for the SW Divisional this weekend. I'm going to run it in STS while Amy runs it in STS-Ladies, as our Alpha car (XP classed) is apart for paint...

cledbetter
07-15-2008, 06:19 PM
Wow, that looks like a lot of fun =(

I was planning on going to the Div but dont think I will make it anymore since the BMW is still in parts in the garage waiting for some new parts... (wheel bearings are a pain) I hope you guys have a good time down there. It should be a good event.

Christopher

Miatamoto
07-15-2008, 07:30 PM
Glad to hear you got the clutch figured out.

BTW, I sent you a PM Terry.

Tommy R
07-16-2008, 09:05 AM
Sorry to hear about the clutch, but the car looks GREAT! Glad to hear the changes are helping it plant the power. Wish I could help out at the Div. this weekend, but too many projects around the house and too little fundage on top of that. :(

Would love to help do some tuning at some point again, though...

Tommy

hancheyb
07-16-2008, 09:11 AM
The wrong oil pan gasket kept us from putting it back together. Fair got the clutch installed. Just need to reinstall the pan and stab it!

John in Houston
07-16-2008, 09:16 AM
The wrong oil pan gasket kept us from putting it back together. Fair got the clutch installed. Just need to reinstall the pan and stab it!

Upper or lower gasket? BMW phuked me 2 times with those... both times gave me the wrong one (not sure how that could be so difficult).

hancheyb
07-16-2008, 09:56 AM
Upper or lower gasket? BMW phuked me 2 times with those... both times gave me the wrong one (not sure how that could be so difficult).

Upper (main) one.

hancheyb
07-17-2008, 09:11 AM
Well, it started back up about 2AM last night. Seems to be working fine. New clutch, new oil pan gaskets.

Fair!
09-05-2008, 10:33 AM
Call me a liar, eh?

Someone was claiming that the -4.3 front camber we have measured time and again on our E30 was "mathmetically impossible", so I went outside and snapped these pictures:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/356368031_wkUUN-M.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/356368097_sb2cj-M.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/356368096_wxtUb-M.jpg

No trickery, no photoshopping, no special parts, just off-the-shelf Vorshlag plates, "unbent" OEM strut housings shortened 1", and that's it. When people see the camber on the car at events that always say "it just looks broken", and you can see in the pictures we have posted many times that's not some girly man camber setting. 'Nuff said.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/356738804_K7M9Y-L.jpg

Here's the actual dyno chart taken at Dallas Performance on August 19, 2008 for the Vorshlag 1991 E30 318is before any power mods were performed. Looks like it rounds up to 119 whp with the OEM paper filter element in place and 122 whp was without (but still though the stock airbox). Woo. Still, not much to brag about, but not bad for a 1.8L motor from ~1990, rated at 136 crank hp from the factory, 18 years later. The new programming, cold air, and exhaust parts are inbound. Look out Honda Civics! :stickoutt

We dyno'd the car during a local BMWCCA chapter meeting that was hosted by Dallas Performance and Vorshlag where we had a free dyno test as a door prize. Luckily the coolest BMW there won the test - this brand new 2008 E92 M3 6-spd...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/355369391_fb4su-Th.jpg (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3240848_u9qeD#355369391_fb4su-A-LB) http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/355368625_f3ESY-Th.jpg (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/3240848_u9qeD#355368625_f3ESY-A-LB)
(click on either thumbnail for video of the 2008 M3 dyno pulls. First is stock, second is with the airbox removed - it added 18 whp and a lot of intake noise!)

The sound of the M3 at 8000 rpm with the air cleaner bypassed was deafening... but oh so good! >:D

Fair!
09-05-2008, 10:35 AM
More mods underway...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365646239_MEjt4-M.jpg

OK, so the car has dyno'd at 122 whp with the stock airbox in place and using a hideous exhaust, complete with the original 200K mile cat. I just lopped off the entire exhaust after the factory header last night (the cat alone weighed 18 pounds!) and am in the process of building the mandrel bent 2.25" diameter system with a new cat + muffler today. The car already had a non-stock muffler and aft section of tubing, but it should still drop another 40 pounds (based on what we weighed coming off and going back on) and hopefully pick up some performance. And it couldn't possibly sound worse. :shifty:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365649892_uHGSJ-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365649127_gKD5f-S.jpg
Old cat = 18.0 pounds. New emissions legal replacement = 4.7 pounds (2" ID)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365647102_8M4UP-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365648064_B68ro-S.jpg
New muffler is 5.3 pounds and everything we might dream of using going back on is only totaling 14.2 pounds

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365649318_ZuhTt-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/365649771_CC5Kq-S.jpg

The tubing coming off the car is insanely thick! The original exhaust is made to last an eternity, and it has the heft to prove it. ;)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/353961459_zNXy7-M.jpg

We also added "tuning" (a reprogrammed Turner chip with +500 RPM and supposedly more power) last night; that plus the cold air and exhaust warrants another dyno pull, probably next week. We'll pull the a/c compressor too (it doesn't work) to drop some more pounds for the SCCA Solo Nationals, only about a week away....

I'm not running this car at Nationals this year (my wife Amy is), but running our LS1 powered E36 instead (XPrepared). That car weighs almost the same as the E30, but has triple the power. Good times....

Fair!
09-05-2008, 10:35 AM
New Exhaust, Cold Air, Programming

The factory exhaust was 2" stuff, and the new 2.25" mandrel bends I got from SPD (excellent bends) slipped tightly over the OD of the OEM tubing, so that worked out nicely. The replacement cat was only 2" ID inlet and outlet, but that's all I could find that was an approved OE replacement, required for this class.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366110248_6YYg7-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366110214_tgiCt-S.jpg

We got everything wrapped up last night around midnight. Probably have 4 hours in the new exhaust, most of which was fighting with doing the work on freagin' jackstands. We're getting a new lift very soon - this is ridiculous.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366110210_kVHhw-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366110009_euSmk-S.jpg

Getting that old junk off of there was such a good feeling. It was literally garbage from another shops junk pile that was on the car the last 6 months or so. I'm gonna take it back to that same scrap pile! :D

The whole system aft of the factory header now weighs a hair over 16 pounds (around 35-40 pounds less), and sounds a LOT better. No longer raspy like a Honda with a fart tip, now it makes noises more like a V4 sport bike at higher revs. :) At mid-rpm revs where the old muffler used to drone loudly (highway speeds) its now drone free, and actually much quieter - something we hadn't bargained for, either. Shocking, considering there's only a turn down behind the passenger compartment. With the new chip it now revs freely to 7000, and pulls considerably harder from 5-7K. We have got to get this thing on the dyno ASAP! :cool

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366109989_CXGzN-M-1.jpg

Welding the new mild steel bends to the old OEM low grade stainless with a MIG wasn't pretty, so I ground most of the welds smooth. If Hanchey wouldn't have been there to stop me every joint would be seemless... thankfully he talked me out of wasting more hours than I did. He worked on his new EVO X "MR" for most of the evening, removing the suspension to take measurements for new AST struts and shocks. The flappy-paddle dual clutch semi-automatic transmission in that thing is the coolest transmission ever, bar none. ITs even super smooth in "auto" mode, and in S-Sport mode it grabs a lower gear without you even thinking about it. The torque sensing hydro-electric rear diff is also a huge beast of a thing! Looks a lot more complicated than the little E30 set-up. :lol

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/366110067_qPjTx-M.jpg

There's the underhood shot with the new cold air. I have some aluminum sheet, and if I get time I'll whip up a quick heat shield for the filter. We still want to spend an hour or so and pull the a/c compressor, but other than that its ready for Nationals. :buttrock

BrianGT
09-05-2008, 05:58 PM
new exhaust looks nice! As for all of that front camber, does it effect your braking ability?

As of the dyno plot, here is a dynojet plot from my 89si:
http://www.briangt.com/gallery/sts/sts_dyno?full=1 (I have the dynojet file if you want it)
It is a little tired, and a rebuilt motor in my region put out 4 more hp and 2 more tq.

-Brian

Thinkkker
09-08-2008, 08:32 AM
Are you guys still just about Daily Driving it?

As dumb as that may sound, Im curious about the mpg this thing will be getting now with the mods. I may be looking for a little better DD mpg wise than the Mustang if/when the move goes through with the company.

hancheyb
09-08-2008, 09:33 AM
It has the typical E30 broken odometer so we don't know fuel mileage. Most people say they get 30+ in them. Scheier daily drove one for a while.

Thinkkker
09-08-2008, 09:35 AM
Forgot about the Odometer issue. Now to wait for a offer letter.

Fair!
09-25-2008, 08:51 AM
Update from 2008 Nationals: Amy had a good showing at Nationals, but cone problems kept her from having another great showing like the last two years/wins in STU-L; she trophied 4th in STS-L out of 11. She had raw times that would have exceeded the 2nd place finisher considerably, but she had to slow down for a "safety run" on both days to get one clean one on the books. Most of her runs looked like this...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/379494433_DxuDJ-M.jpg

We made only a slight change at the practice event on Sunday before the competition started, and the car was hooked up and fast. She was ~1 second off "the fast boys" on Sunday, but was "riding dirty" on her Thursday-Friday runs. Sucks, we really wanted to put the fear in the Hondas with the lone BMW entry, but thems the breaks. The E30 didn't quite have enough to match the top placing Honda in her class, driven by a 6+ time National Champion. With some more development and seat time we think the E30 could keep up (we just got the final set-up semi-sorted a week before Nationals).

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/373771387_46nSC-M.jpg

One thing that would need improvement is tires. Both STS and STS-L were won by newer models of Street Touring eligible tires: STS was won by a Honda on Toyos and STS-L was won by a Honda on Dunlops. The STS-L winner in particular had the one thing we struggled to make work all year - wider tires. That car had 215mm x 17" fronts and the otherwise standard Honda 195mm 15" rears (the rears don't do much on a FWD car except "follow the fronts"). The E30 was carrying an extra 300 pounds yet ran only a 205mm tire at both ends - so it was at a grip disadvantage.

In retrospect, the smart move would have been to run a 7.5" custom wheel with 16" or 17" 225mm tires with the right overall height to keep the gearing short. The only 225mm tires we could use had a very tall diameter (and didn't test well for us), and we were reluctant to build a 7.5" wide 3-piece custom wheel for this tire that we new was too tall.

Anyway, we have a few things we are going to tweak on the E30, and of course we still need to dyno it after all of the recent power mods. After that we aren't sure what we are going to do with the car. Amy might run the car at a couple of track events and she will run it this weekend at the annual Texas region TMS Road Course autocross, but we don't have a lot of plans for the car after that. We have a lot to do on Brian's new EVO X and Amy will likely compete in that car next year.

Fair!
10-20-2008, 12:29 PM
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/392457559_UAqvr-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/392451527_hCcLP-S.jpg

The E30 has been pressed into service as a track rat lately and its doing great. Amy ran it a week ago with NASA and I ran it this past weekend with BMW, both at Eagles Canyon Raceway. We're either going to turn it into a TTE classed Time Trial car or.... sell it to help pay for another shop project car or better trailer. We've run out of suspension projects for this car so it needs a new home, or a "new purpose".

Some pics of the suspension:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398434091_PBGcp-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398431718_QU3FF-S.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398442264_ipSNK-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398436318_FTdZZ-S.jpg
R: picture of the custom motor mounts


Better pics of the exhaust:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398433928_xxngF-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398439283_NjPaK-S.jpg

New camcorder mount:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398452332_yvH4k-S.jpg http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/398456540_2udyC-S.jpg

I'll post some in-car videos from ECR when I get time to edit and upload them.

hancheyb
10-20-2008, 02:06 PM
I looked up the rules. The ol' E30 in NASA would make a great GTS1 car, PTE, or TTE car. It could run BMW Prepared or SCCA STS naturally!

It's an all around great car for autox or roadracing.

rp1
10-24-2008, 11:55 PM
So has there been any further discussion as to keeping or selling the car? Should would be nice to take this car a bit further against the STS boys down here in Atlanta. Keep 'em honest.

GoDog
10-25-2008, 03:05 PM
Would it fit into Spec E30?

Hunter
10-27-2008, 02:15 PM
Would it fit into Spec E30?

yes but the 325is is kinda the car to have for Spec E30... from what I have read anyway

hancheyb
10-27-2008, 02:26 PM
They outlawed it in 2008. No 318is's allowed anymore. You could swap the motor and diff and be legal. Might have to have the tranny too.

hancheyb
10-27-2008, 02:29 PM
I looked up the rules. The ol' E30 in NASA would make a great GTS1 car, PTE, or TTE car. It could run BMW Prepared or SCCA STS naturally!

It's an all around great car for autox or roadracing.

I have to correct myself. The shocks currently aren't Prepared legal. We could redo them back to singles if we had to.

hancheyb
12-03-2008, 10:48 AM
I put together a short video of Terry driving at the Eagles Canyon BMW Club DE. Watch till the end where you see him almost "go in the rhubarb!!"

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/425186786_kJGcm-M.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/6pvugr)
(click for video - http://tinyurl.com/6pvugr)

edit by fair: Doh! my edit of this video had that section completely erased!

rp1
12-04-2008, 02:12 AM
Was the car ever re-dyno'd? Tim Smith recently put up a dyno of his winner and it'd be nice to see the HP difference. Also, was there any resolution to a better tire solution? I was checking around and saw the Hankooks RS2 had a 23" diameter 15" 255 tire (but couldn't find any competitive cars running 'kooks). I'm assuming Katie Elder was running 215/40ZR17 MXs (by what you said earlier)?

Fair!
12-04-2008, 11:51 AM
Was the car ever re-dyno'd? Tim Smith recently put up a dyno of his winner and it'd be nice to see the HP difference. Also, was there any resolution to a better tire solution? I was checking around and saw the Hankooks RS2 had a 23" diameter 15" 255 tire (but couldn't find any competitive cars running 'kooks). I'm assuming Katie Elder was running 215/40ZR17 MXs (by what you said earlier)?
We have not re-dyno'd it. I will try to take it by DP this week and get a number. I've been by a few times in the car lately but they always had something on the dyno already...

Katie had the 17" 215mm Dunlops on the rear, I believe (I took pictures of her tires - check our 2008 Nationals Gallery). We think that a move to a 225mm Yokohama or Dunlop in 17" would have been faster. There are many more 17x7.5" wheel options out there for a BMW than in 16" or 15" diameters. Well, the Miata 15x7.5" 949 wheel is an option we could try, but the 15" tire selections stink for Dunlop or Yokohama (the fastest and biggest ST tires in 225mm) and that wheel came out after we had already bought sets of 15" and 16" wheels. Hankooks aren't going to get it done in STS - we tested on the 225mm RS2s and they were down on grip.

Our E30 is for sale, BTW.

rp1
12-04-2008, 03:23 PM
What's more important, do you think?

Tire diameter?
Aspect ratio?
Weight?

Seems like anything less than 225 would just be silly when the car is already possible in the hole. By the sound of it though, the smaller diameter was a big deal to maximize any power over the Civics. So, as long as the wheel/tire combo aren't too heavy you should be good with the 17", right?

BrianGT
12-04-2008, 03:55 PM
I feel that the dunlop 215/40-17 on a 17x7.5 wheel would work really good on the car, and help it catch up with the other STS cars. I think Randall needs to buy this, so that I can try it out at the next autocross :)

-Brian

hancheyb
12-04-2008, 04:21 PM
I feel that the dunlop 215/40-17 on a 17x7.5 wheel would work really good on the car, and help it catch up with the other STS cars. I think Randall needs to buy this, so that I can try it out at the next autocross :)

-Brian

That's a great idea!

BrianGT
12-04-2008, 04:29 PM
Bridgestone also has the RE-11 in 215/40-17 in Japan, so hopefully they will bring that size over :)
http://potenza.jp/lineup/re11/size/17inch.html

rp1
12-05-2008, 02:10 AM
That's a great idea!

I already talked to Terry. I'm emailing my boss tomorrow about pushing a contract through early so I can get this car once and for all. I've drooled over it long enough...

Fair!
12-19-2008, 07:48 PM
I already talked to Terry. I'm emailing my boss tomorrow about pushing a contract through early so I can get this car once and for all. I've drooled over it long enough...
We just finished the "for sale" post and really want to move this car. Its about to get posted... everywhere. So far almost no one outside of our little forum knew we had it for sale. Not for long. 8)

http://www.vorshlag.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6553

Step up!

It might go on eBay if we don't get an offer this week. We've got to make room in the shop...

rp1
04-26-2009, 06:39 PM
So, what's the status on this car? How's it been doing? Is it being actively auto-crossed?

hancheyb
04-27-2009, 08:57 AM
So, what's the status on this car? How's it been doing? Is it being actively auto-crossed?

Sold in January. Haven't heard from the new owner.

s52_bmw
04-27-2009, 09:17 AM
Looks like it is for sale again...

link (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1220528)

hancheyb
04-27-2009, 09:47 AM
Looks like it is for sale again...

link (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1220528)

That's a great car. Someone should buy it (again)!

rp1
05-04-2009, 09:36 PM
Damn...time to come up with that money again...

Fair!
06-03-2009, 09:12 AM
Wow... the little E30 apparently traded hands once again during the past 6 months, and went up for sale again. It wasn't well advertised and sat unsold for about a month.. price dropped from %5200 to $4000 to $3250, and McCall JUMPED on it last night, hours after hearing about the latest price drop. Melinda and JAson brought it home last night and its there, with some nice little upgrades and only one more bit of new body damage (to join the plethora of whiskey dents and scrapes on this faded but otherwise straight and rust free car). Here's some pics Amy and I took late last night, moments after they got home. It hasn't been McCall Cleaned (tm) yet, so don't hold that against him. :D

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/553750629_pmg8T-L.jpg
The Vorshlag E30 is back! Jason and Melinda McCall acquired the little 1.8 liter bomber on June 3, 2009

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/553750799_JkY4Q-L.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/553750965_hEL9E-L.jpg

So stoked they got this thing! There was a bit of a frenzy to buy it once the price bottomed out yesterday, but Jason was the first one to show up with Cash Money, and money talks. :p

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/553751908_tgzpH-L.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/553751752_aHaV8-L.jpg
The 318is joins the McCall's overflowing garage with an MZ3-LS1, Pontiac G8 GXP, Jeep and 3/4 ton truck

They are going to use it for Melinda to autocross and open track with, and Jason may even run it for a bit until the MZ3-LS1 is being completed. Congrats!

cledbetter
06-03-2009, 09:18 AM
I called the guy to get it but just blew me off since there was someone looking at the car after he got off work (think it was mark)... So congratulations Jason!

Fair!
07-28-2009, 01:36 PM
Just a little update... McCall has been busy adding new parts to the 318is.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/563719622_BunCS-L.jpg
Melinda and Jason at their first event int he car on the 16" wheels and old Bridgestones

Here's the new wheels:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/604352333_YUr65-L.jpg
new wheels and tires

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/593020977_cdMnk-L.jpg
a track-worthy 4-point competition roll bar

I'll snap some pics of the car at the Vail National Tour this weekend with the new wheels.

rp1
08-02-2009, 08:30 PM
Damn. McCall came close to the trophies this weekend. Great job to him! With a large enough class, looks like the car has a fighting chance. Any more feedback about tuning needed? VERY interesting!

John in Houston
08-03-2009, 10:03 AM
Damn. McCall came close to the trophies this weekend!

Correction... McCall got f$cked. He was in the 4th trophy spot. Impound handed out the final results and he was 4th. Trophy presentation and they don't call his name. Turns out that someone decided to remove a cone-call from another driver which bumped McCall down.

So... lesson? Final Results are not Final Results... even when tagged as 'Final Results' :(

rp1
08-03-2009, 11:06 AM
Correction... McCall got f$cked. He was in the 4th trophy spot. Impound handed out the final results and he was 4th. Trophy presentation and they don't call his name. Turns out that someone decided to remove a cone-call from another driver which bumped McCall down.

So... lesson? Final Results are not Final Results... even when tagged as 'Final Results' :(

That almost sounds shady. If it's not on the final results sheet, too bad. You had time to protest. Under those circumstances, even more props to McCall!

GotCone?
08-10-2009, 11:11 AM
Is the Kirk installed yet? Any feedback on it?

thinking about it for Doug's E30

Fair!
08-10-2009, 02:53 PM
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/610915762_uVWH6-L.jpg
Check out the front lower air dam - from a Volvo?!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/611045064_5TFva-L.jpg
Coming to the start line at the Vail Tour

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/611045931_bKmCj-L.jpg
Taking a corner at speed at the Vail Tour

rp1
09-17-2009, 11:11 PM
Did you guys ever get the rear end solved in this car (sans LSD) before you sold it? I've had some ideas with regards to a RWD ST cars and I want to make sure we can tune the rear of the car to get maximum lateral grip and still put the power down effectively (which I'd need against the EF Civics). I might want to call you guys up to see if there are any options on the AST side of what I'm looking at...

Fair!
09-18-2009, 05:40 PM
Did you guys ever get the rear end solved in this car (sans LSD) before you sold it? I've had some ideas with regards to a RWD ST cars and I want to make sure we can tune the rear of the car to get maximum lateral grip and still put the power down effectively (which I'd need against the EF Civics). I might want to call you guys up to see if there are any options on the AST side of what I'm looking at...
The long droop rear shocks helped quite a bit, but it still could use an LSD. If he takes the car to FSP (if its allowed there next year) he'll do a LSD first...

Fair!
10-13-2009, 10:48 AM
Jason's been tinkering with the idea of moving this car into Street Prepared Right now its dubiously placed into DSP, where it probably doesn't belong, but we're going to start a letter writing campaign to have it moved to FSP... where it will still be heavy but probably more competitive. If that gets approved the 318is will get big flares and wheels/tires.

One type of flare that works well on these boxy little Bimmers is called a "box flare". Here's a somewhat crude example:

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/679644105_tDkK9-M.jpg
box flares on the "Dirt E30 team" entry, from the $2009 GRM Challenge

Yes, that looks like they made the flares out of paper mache... and they just might have been... but these could be replicated in steel for very little money and they'd look a lot better. I'd think you'd want to section the stock fender, moving the lower arch openings outwards, and then "box" in the extensions with sheet metal to fill out the room needed for the bigger wheels & tires.

McCall
10-13-2009, 11:20 AM
Those flares aren't bad but I wonder if by going that route if you are adding extra metal to the car.

Doing something more like this could be simpiler:
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/648569333_9e7Es-L.jpg
That's pretty much the wheel/tire package I would want to run.

I'm not a big fan of the 15" route and I think these flares are just too small:
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/648567151_Dyize-L.jpg

I also don't like the look of wheels sticking out either. I'd much prefer them t****** up just inside the fender.

If, and only if, the car gets moved to FSP then of course I will start with the bolt-on fenders like these:
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/648570112_FDPr7-L.jpg

rp1
10-13-2009, 11:28 AM
Those flares aren't bad but I wonder if by going that route if you are adding extra metal to the car.

Doing something more like this could be simpiler:
http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/photos/648569333_9e7Es-L.jpg
That's pretty much the wheel/tire package I would want to run.

Yeah, maybe using the word "simple" around Alex and his DSP E30 would be a bad idea. Those flares are the work across 4-5 years. He started with hammered "flares", then cut them completely, then molded metal fenders on and finally had them smoothed, polished and finished off. That car has gone through a lot and it wasn't "simple". It is, however, beautiful and worth the work, imho...just like the Vorshlag LS1 318is. Lots of work, but the result is beautiful and unique.

McCall
10-13-2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah, maybe using the word "simple" around Alex and his DSP E30 would be a bad idea. Those flares are the work across 4-5 years. He started with hammered "flares", then cut them completely, then molded metal fenders on and finally had them smoothed, polished and finished off. That car has gone through a lot and it wasn't "simple". It is, however, beautiful and worth the work, imho...just like the Vorshlag LS1 318is. Lots of work, but the result is beautiful and unique.

hehe, ok "simple" was in more reference to the look of the lines on the car vs. the work involved to create them. Also, he did start with a 4-dr which is much harder to work with on the rear fenders vs. my 2-dr.

Hunter
10-13-2009, 02:14 PM
It would be really nice if the 325is E30 was FSP... then I would have something fun to with mine :-)

BrianGT
10-14-2009, 01:46 PM
you do realize that the earliest that it would be re-classified into FSP would be the 2011 season, as the deadline has passed for 2010.

Fair!
10-14-2009, 03:33 PM
you do realize that the earliest that it would be re-classified into FSP would be the 2011 season, as the deadline has passed for 2010.

Understood... he's already resigned to running it in ST for another year, but hopefully we can get some letters going and have it moved to FSP for '11.

McCall
07-19-2010, 02:31 PM
Just a quick update on the old 318is. Amazingly enough, it's now fully registered and inspected again so it's a 100% legit street car again. Man, it's a fun little car to poke around in ;-)

Next step, I plan on installing a new Hushpower HP-2 "shorty" 409S muffler towards the end of the week. I picked the 12" 2.25" diameter, which should work just about perfect for the location basically under the driver's seat.

http://www.hushpower.com/product_images/product_photo-large_image-95.jpg

Right now with the current 14" cylindrical flow-thru Magnaflow, it's just waaaaay too loud. Especially since it is so darn slow, it's just not right for this car to be a loud as it is. ;-) At the Mineral Wells Tour earlier this year, it registered right at the 95db limit and on the practice day it even hit 98db one time. Well, hopefully the Hushpower will drop it 4-5db and get it liveable on the street.

If time permits, on Thursday I'll run over to the Vomo shop and Fair & I can run the same sound level test as he did for his M3. I'll then run over to the muffler shop to get the new muffler put on and then will repeat the test. I hope to achieve the same results and will of course post it here.

Besides the muffler and street driving again, the only other change to the car has been the addition of lightweight 15x7.5 Rota Slipstream wheels along with running 225/45-15 tires. I ran the Toyo R1Rs the first part of the year but I have not been impressed so I'm going to switch over to the Hankook RS-3s when I can find a set.

Fair!
07-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Just a couple of pics from the last few months...

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC7330/728749422_gHxdz-L.jpg
the 7.5" wheels

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/e30-318is-weight-112709/728744766_KbxRZ-L.jpg
the weight of the car before the 4-point roll bar was added (+60 lbs)

Fair!
07-27-2010, 11:45 AM
Ever since McCall added the stainless header to the E30 its been really loud. I mean, sure, it wasn't quiet before with the 2.25" Magnaflow straight-thru style muffler, Magnaflow OE replacement catalyst, and turndown just at the rear axle, but it was bearable.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC5513/366110009_euSmk-M.jpg
Above picture shows the exhaust on the car when we bought it in 2007 (some scabbed together junk)
and the 16 pound exhaust I built for it using the Magnaflow bits that year

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC1958/949449847_Betan-M.jpg
This is a quick pic of the new HP-2 installed, still with a turndown (adding a real tailpipe will knock down more noise)

This year with the header added its been pushing the sound limits at autocross events. McCall has registered/inspected the E30 and is driving it on the street a bit and the exhaust noise level is a bit much. After seeing the results from the Hushpower on my E36 M3 he bought the HP-2. Last week he came by and we did the "before" sound tests with the old Magnaflow 2.25" muffler set-up and the results weren't too surprising. Click the links below to see the videos.

Test equipment:
Sound Meter was a Radio Shack 330-2055, "A weighting" set, 30 second sample test, max number posted, 10 feet from the car (which is very close)
Video camera is an Aiptek 720P



http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/SoundTest1-E30-318is-MF-102dB/949402819_fwzVm-M.jpg
Sound Test 1: 1st-3rd gears, WOT = 102 dB (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/12871330_8BLAa#949402819_fwzVm-A-LB)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/SoundTest2-E30-318is-MF-95dB/949415984_YQ5EQ-M.jpg
Sound Test 2: Cruising at 40 mph = 95 dB (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/12871330_8BLAa#949415984_YQ5EQ-A-LB)

http://www.hushpower.com/product_images/product_photo-large_image-68.jpg

This past Saturday he had the HP-2 409S Hushpower (http://www.hushpower.com/product/29/HP-2+Series+Mufflers+-+409S.html) installed in place of the Magnaflow and we did the "after" sound tests. The difference at steady state cruising at 40 mph was a staggering 13 dB drop! (95 to 82 dB) and also a 3 dB drop at Wide Open Throttle (102 to 99 dB).

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/SoundTest3-E30-318is-HP2-99dB/949418488_SqEuz-M.jpg
Sound Test 3: 1st-3rd gears, WOT = 99 dB (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/12871330_8BLAa#949418488_SqEuz-A-LB)

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/SoundTest4-E30-318is-HP2-82dB/949439739_vGWjB-M.jpg
Sound Test 4: Cruising at 40 mph = 82 dB (http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/gallery/12871330_8BLAa#949439739_vGWjB-A-LB)

We ran the steady state test twice to re-verify and that 82 dB number is accurate. That's a huge noise drop and very obvious from riding in/driving the car with both mufflers. Driving the car on the street is now a livable experience. You can hear the radio, talk to the other occupant with the windows up, etc. The sound is less "raspy" and it should work wonders at SCCA events, where they test sound at 50-75' instead of the super close range 10' test meter placement we are doing on our "test road".

Cheers,

dakkon
11-09-2010, 11:38 PM
how much does the final exhaust weigh, i want to build the same exhaust for my 318is that you guys have on this car now.....

also what size of pipe did you use 2-2.5"?

Fair!
11-11-2010, 05:52 PM
how much does the final exhaust weigh, i want to build the same exhaust for my 318is that you guys have on this car now.....

also what size of pipe did you use 2-2.5"?

Used lightweight 18 gauge (non stainless) 2.25" OD pipe and mandrel bends from SPD Exhaust. It weighed... hell, look 2 posts up!

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC5513/366110009_euSmk-M.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC7685/398433928_xxngF-M.jpg

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/DSC5499/365648064_B68ro-M.jpg

The raw materials weighed 14.2 lbs for the pieces shown above. Add to that the factory Y-pipe we re-used and you get 16.2 lbs, then add the factory header. McCall went back later and added an eBay header (lighter) and a 2nd Hushpower muffler.

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Projects/Exhaust-Sound-Testing/12871330_8BLAa#949402819_fwzVm = 4 sound tests on this car

Fair!
03-05-2013, 12:21 PM
This 1991 BMW E30 318is is once again for sale: http://www.sccaforums.com/forums/forumid/63/threadid/442838/scope/posts

http://vorshlag.smugmug.com/Vorshlag-Test-Pilots/McCalls-formerly-Vorshlags-E30/i-BDKXmMk/1/M/DSC_7514-M.jpg

We sold it locally, then it ended up in the hands of my friend Jason McCall for a few years, and he painted the car and fixed a lot of little things on the car. Then he sold it to a gentleman that works at The TireRack, who now has it up for sale at the link above for $5500. The car is well sorted, has some very nice suspension components, and is worth every penny. Located in Fort Bend, Indiana, and that is all I know about the price, seller and location. You can find out a lot about the car in this build thread as well as his ad.

Cheers,

BrianLeib
08-06-2013, 10:51 AM
Well, the ol' 318 is alive and living in Austin. I've had it out to Harris Hill a couple times now and it's a blast.

Sadly, it looks like we lost a head gasket last weekend. The car is currently at Terry Sayther's place right now. Spare a thought that its not terminal.

Brian